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Just curious?
« on: December 16, 2009, 09:48:01 AM »
I was wondering your guys opinion on why we are in the financial crisis we are in today?

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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 10:17:20 AM »
Hello Heather
   I believe it is because Mr Rothschild wants us to accept socialism without putting up a fuss.  Its the same method Adolf Hitler used in Germany successfully. Rothchild banks control 50 % of the worlds money. George Soros, Bilderburgers, C FR, are all controlled by Rothschild. There is much much more controlled by him also. He is the man that has been controlling our Federal Reserve since 1913.
He tries to keep it all secret but he is the one behind it all.
Its all about money and controlling the worlds wealth.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 10:35:09 AM »
That's a good question. Unfortunately there are multiple reasons that can't be boiled down to a single sound bite. But here's the concise version:

During the past 10 years there has been a widespread change in the application of risk to business and investment decisions. The government gets a lot of blame by the talk radio crowd for making policies that require banks to make home loans to risky customers. That's part of it, but internal to the real estate industry the incentives were for writing a mortgage, so sales people wrote mortgages. The standards for eligibility for these loans dropped to the point where in some markets you didn't need an income or a job to secure a home loan. Contributing to this was the concept that a mortgage could be written and then immediately sold to another party willing to take on the risk. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are among those taking on this risk.

A similar trend occurred in some financial institutions, where there was a de-coupling of business fundamentals from investment. In other words, investments were invented that had nothing to do with the value of the companies that were being invested in.

Blame is given to the rating agencies, like Moodys, for not correctly rating the risk of various investments. In this context it is important to know that the rating agencies get pressure from the industries they are rating, and often succumb to that pressure.

Some industries were over-built. In some markets, it is estimated that 40% of the retail businesses could close without any impact on the consumer. In other words, no loss of convenience or selection, no change in price.

Government borrowing and spending is very alarming, and it is making our currency worth far less than it was only five years ago.


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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 10:35:28 AM »
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He is the man that has been controlling our Federal Reserve since 1913.

Accrding to my calculator 1913 was 96 years ago. Just how old is this Mr Rothschild?  :o Is he one of those immortals that go around chopping off other immortals heads with swords cuz "there can be only one"?  ;D


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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 10:41:20 AM »
One other opinion from me is that this will work out reasonably well in time. Our government's portion of it will be done as inefficiently as possible, but that's they way they always solve problems.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 10:55:56 AM »
Hi Greybeard
   The Rothschilds families oldest son has been controlling things in this country longer than that but since 1913 when they convinced the people that we should have a Federal Reserve System they been able to pull the strings controlling our presidents of both parties.
The Rothschilds always pass power to the oldest son in the family unless by vote among them they decide it will be another son.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 02:36:53 PM »
I'll give it a go. Let's see, we've blamed Rothchild, Banking, Industries. Wait, how about we look at us. I mean as a whole. How much debt did our parents run up? If they were like mine, not much at any one time. Credit cards? not hardly! Can't afford it? Well, just have to save up and do without some things. Now how about our generation? Charge it! We are a gotta have now society. In our work, in our play. And we expect it to be deferent in our govt? We for too long have let them take care of things so we could devote more time to our gotta have it now lifestyle. We didn't pay attention and they did what they wanted too and here we are. Who do I blame? We the people. Course most will disagree with me but then again nobody likes to accept blame(Responsibility) for much these days.

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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 02:43:42 PM »
 blame ourselves in my opinion.. just how long do we think he s gonna put up with the crap that this country has  made laws requiring,, in some cases..
 we gonna pay the price of learning humbleness an rethinking our faith..
 then we ll see. jmo slim
 yes the inocent may have to endure it with the guilty..

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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2009, 03:24:34 PM »
Heather, We are seeing the results now of not standing up to this mentality generations ago. Our government, business and financial systems have sold us the bill of goods to consume, consume, consume. I'm as guilty of it as anyone. However I've changed my whole way of thinking and am now paying all my debts off. The cards have got to go. When all of the money they have been printing hits the banks from the federal reserve the value of the dollar will plummet even further than it has in the past 30 years. It is only worth 73 cents from its value then. When that happens the interest rates will skyrocket. When Jimmy Carter was president people paid 18-20% on their mortgage loan rates. Given the fact that the treasury has printed multiple trillions of dollars more, we'll be begging for those interest rates. There is no ceilling on credit card interest rates. If you have credit card debt pay it off now. Cut them up and pay with cash only. If you can't afford it you probably don't need it. Also we have exported almost any meaningful manufacturing job out of this country. We no longer make things we consume them. Of course this is all by design as has been stated by others. This country was founded in God's name so it seems satan and his minions are going to try and tear it down.

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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2009, 04:52:13 PM »
The bad loans and banking institutions failure started the ball rolling.  Then Obama saying I'm going to tax the rich and give to the poor.  This don't set well with the rich crowd. 

Who pays 75% of the taxes in this country.  Rich people.
OK who owns the businesses.                     Rich people.
Who pays workers salaries.                         Rich people.
Who hires workers.                                    Rich people.

Government taxes the rich over a certain point and the rich say "I'll just take a vacation, and shut down my business".  With the business shut down they don't have to pay taxes on business profits.  They are rich so they can afford to take a long vacation.  Actually they make money because they can write the business loss off their taxes.  But the people they laid off are hurting.  Some find other jobs, some don't.

When the rich  are ready to start up production they have a decision to make.  Do I start up production here in the US, or overseas where production is cheaper.  Many have goner overseas.  Others just wait.  Then the Government suddenly come up with tax incentives or tax breaks, At this point the rich are ready to open up production and put people back to work.

Last week Obama was talking about tax breaks and incentives to get business rolling again.  Once those tax breaks are approved and in place, businesses will reopen.  Then people will eventually go back to work, and all the taxes Obama was going to take in never got paid in the first place.  In fact he lost all the taxes that business would have generated, along with all the taxes all the employees would have paid.  Plus all the taxes his suppliers, and their employees, would have paid.

Raising taxes on the rich don't work.  Big business is what keeps this countries economy rolling.  Hurt big business and the country suffers.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 04:56:47 PM »
Nice job, Sourdough. I'll add that our fearless "leader" said specifically that "capital gains" taxes on small business would be lowered. What the heck is that? That is not a commitment to lower corporate taxes on small business, or any other kind of tax I'm aware of that affects the day to day operation of a small business.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 04:59:30 PM »
Questor:  You are right, but give him time and he will come around and start lowering taxes on all businesses just to get them rolling again.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2009, 07:06:16 PM »
Voters.  When we keep electing the same lame people who don't give a da:: about the people they are elected to represent, we have no one to blame but our selves.  In 2010 all members of the house are up for reelection and 1/3 of the senate are up for re election, if any of them get back in shame on us.
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Re: Just curious?
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2009, 07:49:25 PM »
Combination of what was said here. Don't think you can blame just one thing. We have a government that's trying to please a welfare class, that's growing by leaps and bounds. Big business that's getting a government handout. Plus, big business looking at the bottom line and outsourcing jobs so that profit margin looks good to the stockholders. A whole lot of people making more money than what their worth, and alot that ain't getting squat. Things will even out shortly. But I'm afraid it ain't gonna be pretty. gypsyman
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