Author Topic: What do the troops think of their Commander in Chief ? (Read 1807 times)

ctrout · « **Reply #30 on:** December 09, 2009, 04:23:50 PM »

Keyes/Palin 2012? or perhaps Palin/Keyes?

Squib · « **Reply #31 on:** December 09, 2009, 06:29:24 PM »

maybe after getting it up the *&^ the race card might actually work in favor of conservativism this time--- maybe some blacks my age (25) will remember what the democrats/progressives are really about (statism, eugenics, ...)

I think even the most prejudiced whites can get past their own mental problems to vote for allan keyes, his record and even better- his blatant, virtually rude, fiery and manic attacks on liberalism are so quick from his mouth. watch him on about any video you can get off the net, he goes off ALL THE TIME! he hates the race card, hates "poor me" blacks, hates identity politics, and is the only real champion of black heritage in america- unlike the rest of the black politicians (of his time/ 80's), he actually tries to be like King. he goes out and protests, he preaches, he is educated, he lives by his word.... and he'll attack his constituents when they sell-out. that's what's stopped him. he will completely screw himself out of getting elected if he has to lie to do it--- he'll bust out other republicans on live debates!

seriously, look up some youtube videos... he is vehemently against anything but someone getting what is earned, good or bad. he believes in a man getting the fruits of his labor and nothing else. also he's quite good at smashing the lies of identity politics--- and as a black man no one can call him on it. also check out lt. col. allan west

teamnelson · « **Reply #32 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:49:40 PM »

Obama vacationed near Marine Corps Base Hawaii last holidays before he took office, worked out at the gym every day. Lots of folks stopped working out there for a bit ... He's supposed to be coming back again this year.

Squib · « **Reply #33 on:** December 09, 2009, 07:52:36 PM »

I hope he blows a rotator cuff

not that he would do anything useful like sign good bills into law or salute the flag anyways

pmeisel · « **Reply #34 on:** December 10, 2009, 04:19:34 PM »

magooch, my son is a proud serving airman and so are his friends....

ironglow · « **Reply #35 on:** December 11, 2009, 01:36:30 AM »

Please notice, in my post #13 I made it clear I was talking to combat troops, can't speak for the rest. Most troops I know are either Army or Marine Corps, and the ones I was speaking specifically about in post #13 are "up close & personal" combat experienced.

Squib · « **Reply #36 on:** December 11, 2009, 02:49:26 AM »

it's more personal to the people who get bled and see it happen to buddies.... the brainwashing tends to get dirtied up again in the field

teamnelson · « **Reply #37 on:** December 11, 2009, 08:46:06 AM »

I don't think its good for the morale of the troops to give our national government carte blanche, regardless of who is in office. So I would expect that the citizens of these United States, to include the soldiers, would be actively engaging their jaundiced eye towards our government, and working hard to improve it. That's the clearest and best path to supporting the troops.

One should never confuse serving one's country with serving a particular party, or agenda. Our country still has an all volunteer citizen soldier force, and we should keep it that way. If you are serving for political reasons, get out. If you aren't serving, don't accuse those who do of being politically motivated.

ironglow · « **Reply #38 on:** December 11, 2009, 12:33:38 PM »

TM;
TeamNelson said it very well..but I would also add a couple caveats;

1) The troops I speak of are mostly Marines ranging from infantry to Spec Ops to a bomb detection dog handler who is in Afghanistan at the moment and some Army, esp a young Sunday School friend, now in the First Ranger Battalion. Not one of them have spoken of serving with less fervor than before.
2) The troops will serve as they always have, simply because they serve the Constiutution, the American people and their loved one back home..I doubt BHO even enters into that equation ! Remember..they do...that their oath says nothing about BHO.
3) It is getting more difficult to serve with the new "PC" rules of engagement, and that alone has many wondering if they will serve past the current enlistment. The ongoing courts-martial of the 3 Navy Seals has done much damage to our military...something the current administration should be cautious of;...unless destroying our military is another part of their agenda..

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 11, 2009, 05:06:58 PM »

soldiers may have their personal opinions but they must set them aside and carry out orders ( No NOT MURDER and yes all lawfull ones). the soldiers are not lemmings or whatever they have been called they volunteered to serve their country and all are very much aware before they swear in of the dangers and risks they take.

they serve like all military serves with honor. yes you can always find the glaring exception (Lt. Calley and others). they put their lives on the line each and every day and they know full well that they could be given an order that if carried out will more than likely cost them their lives. that takes a special breed of cat so they are all honorable and we owe them our respect and support.

i find it hard to believe that any one in todays military could say he was duped. they all volunteer and boot camps do one thing pretty well and they always have. they try to weed out the ones that are not strong enough mentaly. you just can not by pass a home a risk your safety in a sweep. soldiers always in all wars see and do things that leave terrible wounds of the mind that last a lifetime.

some indeed break the stress overwhelmes them. but they do not break because they kick in a door and scare the heck out of the people inside. as a matter of fact any soldier understands completely why his doing stuff like that. for his and his buddies safety. why do they not knock and ask to be let in..simple thats about the best way to get an RPG up your rear. yes sir the civilians suffer terribly the kids and the first soldier going in through that door is just about as scared as anyone. war is not nice it is not conducted to be nice to anyone. the real business is killing and in anyones world thats a pretty scary job.

so everyone here has an opinion..well i got mine I RESPECT OUR TROOPS AND I SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AND I DO NOT GIVE TWO CENTS WHETHER OR NOT THEY BEAT A TERRORIST OR KILL HIM. The real deal is that you do as all soldiers do that want to live to see tomorrow. you kill and you fire first and if someone gets in the line of fire so be it. that is what war is.

Squib · « **Reply #40 on:** December 11, 2009, 05:49:40 PM »

redtail... I understand that you feel the troops (all but the occasional rotten apple) are to be honored even though the war-fighting is violent at times, and I agree. I don't understand how that pertains to Hussein though... you're angry that he's the one leading the military and enforcing the bs pc "witch-hunts"? if that's the interpretation you're sending then yes I agree. if not, please reiterate your last.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** December 12, 2009, 06:26:17 AM »

TM;
Ever thought...Disintegration may be exactly what the Hussein regime wants ?

You spoke in another thread of a past Freemason who outlined a plan to use the powers of the anti-Christ (more likely the anti-Christ using him) to destroy civilization as we know it. I have no problem seeing how the anti-Christ must play an important part in the likely, near future, but I don't see the Masons as that influential. Of course, if the reports of those of 32nd and below degrees not knowing the heart of Freemasonry are true; who knows?
I can clearly see the handprints of the Fabian Socialists in everything BHO ..and now, the Democrats in general....are doing. Seems like the drive for control over the people, knows no bounds.

BTW: According to reports, it was the alarmed families and Muslim community which put the authorites wise to the American born jihadists recently apprehended in Pakistan.
I want to congratulate them for their respect for their homeland and it's laws.

Squib · « **Reply #42 on:** December 12, 2009, 08:04:49 AM »

... yeah. I'm not sure how to feel about that situation. I hope that those americans weren't plotting on terror schemes but it wouldn't be the first time. I'm gonna wait a week or two for newly divulged info before I criticize.

pmeisel · « **Reply #43 on:** December 12, 2009, 08:19:29 AM »

I paraphrase the talk a senior NCO gave to my son's unit the day after inauguration:

"Don't know your politics. I agree with some things and not with others. But we serve the country, and we just got a new boss. And we will do our job."

My dad served FDR who he hated, Truman who he admired, Eisenhower who he was ambivalent about, and Kennedy who he hated. But he never expressed those opinions in uniform, and he never participated in politics not only in uniform but for several years after as a civilian federal employee.

I imagine most of our troops are more focused on their responsibility that they are on political commentary. As they should be.

alsaqr · « **Reply #44 on:** December 13, 2009, 04:36:28 AM »

I am retired from the US Army. I am not an Obama fan. I was not a fan of Wya Bush and the Republican congress either. Anyone who gives a hoot about our fine troops will not talk politics with those troops. It has the effect of lowering their morale when someone rails and whines about their C in C. Like it or not, Obama is president of the US for about 37 more months. No amount of griping, caterwauling and whining is
going to change that.

The Republican party is out of touch, out of power, out of new ideas and out of viable presidential candidates. The Democrats were in the same position for many years, then they ran a presidential candidate who was capable of winning: The Republicans need to wake up and do the same.

steve y · « **Reply #45 on:** December 13, 2009, 06:14:40 AM »

I've not run into any servicemen and asked them about their political beliefs. God bless them that they are willing to go into harms way whether they believe in the president or not. That they do it because they took an oath. They made a solemn promise to protect and defend the constitution of our country. They do it for us and they do it for each other. They are the best of the best and we owe them for everything they do for us. Remember back when Algore ran against GWB and they were trying to stop the counting of our troops ballots from overseas in that election. Must have been because they know that most of our troops have conservative values and they are afraid of that. Must be why they are trying to get God out of the service. After listening to pres. Hussien about Afghanistan for the last year I've gotten very afraid for our men and women over there. He is sending them into the meat grinder just to satisfy his political base and those people who fancy themselves to be hawks. They are paying the price for the dishonorable people who run our government. I know that it would be fantasy to wish for them to all come home and let the rest of the world fend for themselves. I can dream can't I? Steve

ironglow · « **Reply #46 on:** December 13, 2009, 07:10:53 AM »

Alsaqr said;

Quote from: alsaqr on December 13, 2009, 04:36:28 AM

I am retired from the US Army. I am not an Obama fan. I was not a fan of Wya Bush and the Republican congress either. Anyone who gives a hoot about our fine troops will not talk politics with those troops. It has the effect of lowering their morale when someone rails and whines about their C in C. Like it or not, Obama is president of the US for about 37 more months. No amount of griping, caterwauling and whining is
going to change that.

The Republican party is out of touch, out of power, out of new ideas and out of viable presidential candidates. The Democrats were in the same position for many years, then they ran a presidential candidate who was capable of winning: The Republicans need to wake up and do the same.

   I sure don't recall troops being so sensitive about the C in C when I was serving. Granted we didn't talk a great deal about politics, but as evidenced by the videos, if the C in C is somebody they respect, they won't hide it..if the C in C is a turkey, they will do what is expected and required only.
  The way the C in C can ruin morale is not by what he looks like orv even what his rhetoric is, but what rules he brings to bear directly upon the troops.
   The new rules, obviously approved by Obama, calls for Miranda rights" to be read to captured terrorists. Bad enough the troops have to fight an enemy that opens fire from among women & children and does so while being disguised as a civilian..sometimes a female civilian..but our own govt looks to prosecute (or persecute) our troops if the sneaky murderers get hurt...THAT is a morale buster !
   Consider the three Navy seals now being prosecuted (persecuted) for capturing a terrorist who tortured, murdered, burned and hung on a bridge..four American civilians. This president could put a stop to this travesty of justice..RIGHT NOW..if he were inclined to do so. Obviously, this "community organizer" who NEVER served, places his politics above the lives and careers of these Navy Seals. No amount of Orwellian "newspeak" can hide his distain for our troops...and they know it..nobody has to tell them.

   They KNOW what they fight for..and it's not a 2-bit "community organizer" from corrupt, Chicago style politics.

BTW: I know some troops who are continually practicing their rifle marksmanship, even on their own time. You might be surprised to see their favored targets. Then maybe you wouldn't...

Squib · « **Reply #47 on:** December 13, 2009, 08:36:31 AM »

I think he'll have a sham trial and burn the seals, so he can have a sham trial to burn the muslim guy in new york (bomber/schemer guy... whatever his name is)

that will make him less of a muslim sympathizer in the eyes of america... and he's right. it'll mean he has no moral grounding whatsoever, and will discard any true american, or muslims, to further the nwo global communist agenda

alsaqr · « **Reply #48 on:** December 13, 2009, 02:45:14 PM »

First of all those SEALS are being courts martialed at their own request. They refused to accept non- judicial punishment-Captain's mast.

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BTW: I know some troops who are continually practicing their rifle marksmanship, even on their own time. You might be surprised to see their favored targets. Then maybe you wouldn't...

I go several firing ranges that are frequented by Marines and Army personnel. They never discuss their CIC. You are insinuating that 'troops" are shooting at targets that have the likeness of their CIC on them. First of all, I do not believe you. Secondly, if any "troops" are shooting at any such targets they are scumbags I would refuse to serve with. I go to several firing ranges that are frequented by lots of Marines and Army personnel. They never discuss their CIC.

If the US Secret Service gets wind of anyone shooting at targets with the likeness of the POTUS on them someone is in serious doo-doo.

Squib · « **Reply #49 on:** December 13, 2009, 03:45:39 PM »

sadly you're probably right. a REAL threat would shoot at a dime at 1,000 yds but someone goofing off would shoot at a poster from 50... and get burned for it. that's the pc aegis obama wields.

Redtail1949 · « **Reply #50 on:** December 13, 2009, 09:53:06 PM »

yes its the insane way obama approaches the war on terror. the miranda rights, crime scene investigations in a battle zone, the willingness to meet and talk and so on. it just shows me he is not up to the job to defend this nation as he is sworn to do.

soldiers will fight and kill whoever they are ordered to..goes with the job. they are not to have a political opinion that they carry into battle they are sworn to lay it aside as long as they wear the uniforn.

the seals indeed requested the court marshal. why, because they were not willing to admit guilt and take a captians mast ruling. i applaude them for their decision.

no soldier, in his right mind, would ever pin up a target of the CIC... man he would be put into the bottom of the brig.

todays soldier is a volunteer fully aware that he most likely will be sent into combat areas to fight more than likely musilm extreemist. i can not see any of them not knowing the dangers or not be willing to fight. those that do something like that just slipped by the boot camp process and should have never been in the military.

i believe the vast majority carry out their duty just like all before them.

i am glad that it has been mentioned that the 5 US wanabe terrrorists captured before they got to the battlefield in Pakistan were turned in by their own parents. The parents had to agonize about it i am sure. yet they went to the local musilum clerics and they were told to go to the FBI. they did and to me that shows that they out this nation above their own blood and that took courage. the clerics in my mind did what any loyal american would do.
the point is not all musilums are bad there are some as evidenced here that are good americans. i really wish we could see and hear more stories of them standing up like any american and denouncing the radical stances of the ones that wish us harm. it would go a long way toward calming the fears of others.

alsaqr · « **Reply #51 on:** December 14, 2009, 01:31:22 AM »

Like most ultra-liberals, Obama thinks that the US military are a police force for international nation building. George Bush bought into the same sorry idea. The US state dep't, the FBI and the CIA have been running the war in Afghanistan and it has not worked. Nor will it ever work.

That despicable Karzai criminal is saying that it will take five years for the Afghan army to be a viable fighting force. I have news for folks, the Afghan army will never be a viable fighting force.

steve y · « **Reply #52 on:** December 14, 2009, 02:44:18 AM »

The more chaos in the world the better for them so they can impose there will better. Like Benjamin Franklin said those that seek temperary security over freedom derserve neither. That's what we are going to get. Hunker down boys!

ironglow · « **Reply #53 on:** December 16, 2009, 09:23:22 AM »

Quote from: alsaqr on December 13, 2009, 04:36:28 AM

I am retired from the US Army. I am not an Obama fan. I was not a fan of Wya Bush and the Republican congress either. Anyone who gives a hoot about our fine troops will not talk politics with those troops. It has the effect of lowering their morale when someone rails and whines about their C in C. Like it or not, Obama is president of the US for about 37 more months. No amount of griping, caterwauling and whining is
going to change that.

The Republican party is out of touch, out of power, out of new ideas and out of viable presidential candidates. The Democrats were in the same position for many years, then they ran a presidential candidate who was capable of winning: The Republicans need to wake up and do the same.

  Alsaqr;
  The second paragraph of your post:
  You say the Republicans are out of touch, out of ideas and out of viable candidates. Then you go on to imply that the Democrats have solved these problems ( quote "they were in the same position for many years"). I doubt many here would agree with your summation... While I happily concur that the Republicans have been slipping and ignoring their stated convictions as of recent years, they are nowhere near as morally corrupt as the Democrats, who continually pursue privileges for the perverts, death to pre-born boys and girls, putting unbearable taxes on business, using eco-terrorism against businesses and individuals and have historically given the military a "short-sheet". Now these control freaks are trying to force Socialism, if not Communism....onto our society.
  No, the Democrats are not now in the cat-bird seat simply because they had better ideas or candidates, but rather because they are not the least bit reticent to weaving lies to about as large a group of clueless, uneducated, what's-in-it-for-me mob of people as ever have walked in and out of our voting booths.

  You will note; I did not say what the troops were using for a target..could have been a picture of a grizzly bear or one of Shirley temple...

You will note however, nearly all the troops I have conversations with are of combat arms and special operations..not "run of the mill" support troops. These troops work as "teams"..and they play as "teams" and the brass doesn't normally play with them.
  You seem to indicate that you and the troops you served with were so incredibly "sensitive". My memories do not tell me that. The troops I served with were about like anyone else. Yes, being young, we didn't talk politics very often, but when we did we were not afraid of some boogey-man trying to trap us in a "politically incorrect" statement.
  Speaking of political correctness..it appears that much of the chain of command over the three Navy SEALs who are now being prosecuted/persecuted by this same chain, are stricken by the "political correctness disease". Let's recapitulate..Three Navy SEALs were ordered to capture a terrorist who is believed to be the leader of the mob which tortured, murdered, burned and hung up like hogs in a slaughter house, four American civilians. The "chain of command" sent these men into the snake pit for a cobra..

Now, (to use your own words) said terrorist is "griping, whining and caterwauling", simply because he had a fat lip! Now, anybody ..up through this same chain of command could easily have told the terrorist to "suck it up"..Just as the NCOs tell our troops who incur minor injuries while in training to fight said terrorists. ..But no; this Obama lapping chain of command are apparently "so sensitive" for the terrorist..but the SEALS and their nfamilies will just have to "suck it up" !
  Right today...at this moment, the C in C ... our president, could simply tell the terrorist to... " Suck it up..I stand behind my troops..who are defending our people and their constitution".
  ..But alas the president... is AWOL !!! Undoubtedly, successful trainees are much more of a man than either the terrorist or his "sensitive helpers"..the chain of command (all the way to the top).