Author Topic: Anybody own or shoot one of the REMINGTON SPR22 RFL 30-06? (Read 5229 times)

S.B. · « **on:** April 25, 2009, 04:24:12 PM »

I'd be very interested in hearing your evaluation, please?
Steve

dougk · « **Reply #1 on:** April 26, 2009, 06:07:35 PM »

I had the Baikal IZH-94 which is the predecessor to the Remington SPR-94. Nice gun. 30-06 was very accurate. If I recall the grouping as 2-3 inches at 100 yards using 165 Federal bluebox. With the combo the 30-06 would shoot high and to the right after the 2nd shot.

Default · « **Reply #2 on:** May 24, 2009, 04:48:48 PM »

This rifle (SPR 22) in the 45/70 has been a subject of alot of interest to me and my brother for quite some time, but not alot of straight forward info on them as of yet , but I noted that Remington which had aquired full rights to bring them in has already dumped them , This may be due to Russia not being able to meet deadlines and making Remmie look bad ,Who knows... Some confusion as to wether EAA (European American Armory) will continue to import these little SXS's or not is circulating...

Now I have read a post of a fellow that has both , bought the 45/70 first then went out short there after and bought the 06 version .. Seemed happy enough to buy another , thats always a good thing .

Hopefully someone here will have a good bit of first hand experience and share with us ...

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jager · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2009, 03:53:03 PM »

I handled a SPR-22 Baikal (SXS) 30/06 at a local gun shop (first I've seen anywhere). They were asking $699. It seems to weight about 7.5 pounds and comes to the shoulder very quick. The stock is typical Russian, but the medal work seems to be pretty good. The barrel adjustment is very interesting and should be at least as effective as Valmet's. I'm going to hold out for a 45/70!

OB One · « **Reply #4 on:** June 01, 2009, 03:41:48 AM »

I have two of the original Baikal IZH-94 combos. One is a 30-06 under a 12 ga and the other is a 223 under a 12ga. The 30-06 is a tack driver at 100 yards, three out of three touching with 110 grain BTHP, reloads. The POI is the same for both barrels at 50 yards. I have a Kicks extra full choke in the 12 ga and shoot #4 buck out of it for predators. It's a fine rifle/and shotgun combo. I really like it and feel its good for anything in North America.

The second is the 223 under a 12ga and groups at about an inch and a half with factory ammo. It has a 1 in 12 twist and I think reloads in the 35 to 50 grain range would do much better. I haven't been able to work up a load for that rifle yet. Have been in the hospital and in recovery.

Both guns have what appears to be a screwdriver adjustment to regulate the POI between the barrels. Not so, thats a particular sized bushing and if the barrels POI don,t agree then you mike it and order one from EAA to make em agree. I have the 223/12ga up for sale on Gunbroker as I don't need it after I bought an AR-15.

Good luck in your choice.
OB

teddy12b · « **Reply #5 on:** June 01, 2009, 07:18:25 AM »

Quote from: S.B. on April 25, 2009, 04:24:12 PM

I'd be very interested in hearing your evaluation, please?
Steve

+1 I've been looking for the 30-06 side by side for years, or at least an informal review of the rifle. I saw a few on gunbroker some time ago in the $700 and up price range. I think it'd be a heck of a rifle, but I can't spend money on a rifle I haven't read about.

S.B. · « **Reply #6 on:** June 01, 2009, 07:56:33 AM »

Quote from: teddy12b on June 01, 2009, 07:18:25 AM

Quote from: S.B. on April 25, 2009, 04:24:12 PM
I'd be very interested in hearing your evaluation, please?
Steve

+1 I've been looking for the 30-06 side by side for years, or at least an informal review of the rifle. I saw a few on gunbroker some time ago in the $700 and up price range. I think it'd be a heck of a rifle, but I can't spend money on a rifle I haven't read about.

If all goes right, I'll let you know in about one week. I've got one coming.
Steve

teddy12b · « **Reply #7 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:19:27 AM »

That's awesome. Please write a long winded review with plenty of pictures. I'd just like to know how one of these rifles shoots. I thought long and hard about these as a bear hunting rifle. I just think having two rounds ready at the squeeze of a trigger is great without the legal issues of a semi auto.

S.B. · « **Reply #8 on:** June 01, 2009, 11:41:04 AM »

After reading Capstick and many others, in my youth, I have often dreamed of owning a double. Think it would be perfect for Wisconsin whitetail deer? Here's a link to a similar discussion.
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,43633.0.html
Steve

S.B. · « **Reply #9 on:** June 11, 2009, 06:10:13 AM »

Well, like I've always said buy American!!!
I'm somewhat dissapointed in the SPR22/30.06. The stock is cut where you almost have to mount a scope to see the sight. With iron sights, I can't get low enough to see them or get a sight picture(I bought it for an iron sighted close quarters gun). Also, the stock on the rifle I now have has a cast off or on(bends to the right after pistol grip from the wrist to the butt. The front sight is a screw for elevation and ther rear is in a somewhat dovetail. The barrels didn't come regulated. Instructions in their manual don't explain it very well either but, the left barrel is pinned at the front sight base and the right is fitted loosely for adjustment or regulation? Recoil pad is the hardest I've ever witnessed. Both triggers are attrosious, very long and heavy. Shot it 40 rounds, yesterday, but, with the non scoped stock and heavy long pull triggers, accuracy was nothing to call home about. Couldn't get low enough to shoot off the sand bags and with the toe of the stock sticking into my shoulder, I can tell today, just where the stock was yesterday. The wrist (pistol grip area)of the stock is so long that it just doesn't feel comfortable in my right hand.
If I decide to keep this gun I'll change the sights for something I can see and the stock for something I feel fits me and with iron sights?
Don't know what I can do with the front sight yet but, maybe have a dovetail milled to accept a fiber optic insert and higher rear(maybe a Lyman that fits a BP gun).
Don't know if they've changed the stock dimentions after they left Remington but, would definately be a plus(this would be the first thing I'd do to this gun).
Steve

jager · « **Reply #10 on:** June 11, 2009, 12:22:27 PM »

SB - I too noticed that the "comb" of the buttstock was very high to see the sights properly (my average height cheek-bones wouldn't make the grade) Did you use factory ammo or handloads? The SPR22 I handled did have some "cast off" for a right handed shooter, but it wasn't too radical (it could vary a lot from model to model). The trigger pull can probably be fixed by a good gunsmith, but the long pull from the "pistol" grip is another matter. How was the recoil compared to other 30/06's you've shot? It sounds that barrel regulation might take alot of guesswork, and ammo, to come to a solution. I've gone through that frustration with a Valmet in the same caliber and was glad I had plenty of reloading components on hand. Did the extractors, or ejectors, function properly? Is there enough wood on the comb of the buttstock to take it down to a level where the rear sights could be seen? Thanks for your plimanary report and good luck!

S.B. · « **Reply #11 on:** June 11, 2009, 01:56:11 PM »

I shot CMP surplus Greek ammo? To lower the comb you would have to go down into the recoil pad. My solution would be to replace the stock with one that fits me, this would fix both the seeing the sights and the pistol grip, plus I'd add a Remington R6 pad or whatever they call them? i was considering regulating the left(solid barrel) with the sights(that I cannot get down to) and then work on getting the right to shoot in the same place with the jack screw? As for the front sight, I thought I would have a 3/8" dovetail milled into the sight ramp and then install a fiber optic sight? The rear would have to be raised, also, I would probably use a Lyman dovetail adjustable sight back here, to have some adjustment?
I found recoil was average for a 30.06 probably cause of the somewhat above average weight.
Harry McGowen(the barrel maker) live not far north of me so I figured he'd do the triggers for me?
This would have to be a winter project and now it's summer before I would ever hunt with this rifle .
Steve

Drilling Man · « **Reply #12 on:** June 12, 2009, 01:54:28 AM »

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It sounds that barrel regulation might take alot of guesswork, and ammo, to come to a solution. I've gone through that frustration with a Valmet in the same caliber and was glad I had plenty of reloading components on hand.

What Valmet model are you talking about?

I've regulated at least 40 Valmet 412's and they all dialed right in. In fact, i got to the point i could dial one in, "including" sighting it in, with a box of ammo or less!

DM

jager · « **Reply #13 on:** June 12, 2009, 03:20:37 PM »

DM - Mine was a 412. I happen to know you have more than the average experience with the Valmet. And, since you've sighted in 40 (I've never seen 40 in my lifetime!) you can probably do it in your sleep. I, on the other hand, found the adjustments very imprecise compared to "drifting" irons or "regulating" the load to the sights. I discovered that a small amount of adjustment made on the Valmet made a big difference in impact; thus, my limited experience equaled frustration.

SB - It sounds like you have worked out the solutions to your problems. I would expect the total cost of your project to be about 10 cents on the dallar of what a big name "double" rifle would cost. Thanks for the info; I'm looking forward to hearing how your project turns out.

popplecop · « **Reply #14 on:** July 22, 2009, 03:32:50 PM »

I have one in 45-70. Only load I've tried so far is the Rem. factory 405 gr. At 50 yds. the l bbl. shoots 3" to the left and the r bbbl. 3" s to the right. Front sight is screwed down about as far as it will go. I bought some plastic colored front sight posts that are for an AK or SKS, am going to see if the threads match. If so it will give me a visable front sight. As I have 3 other 45-70s I am going to try some cast bullet loads. Also looking for a 11mm peep sight and try that. My 70 yr. old eyes aren't the best for open sights, really don't want to go to a scope if I don't have to.

S.B. · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2009, 04:42:58 PM »

popplecop, the stock on my 30.06 appears to be made for a scope, it's real hard for me to get my check down far enough to even see the iron sights. Like you, I would hate to have to go to a scope on this gun.
Steve

Snowwolfe · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2010, 02:27:10 PM »

I own one. Triggers are as bad as they come and comb is to high to use the iron sights. Mounted a 3x9 scope on it for load developement and the accuracy is stunning to say the least. I posted some targets over at the AR forum a few months ago but after regulating the rifle/load it will shoot both the right and left barrels into under 1 inch at 50 yards.

S.B. · « **Reply #17 on:** January 18, 2010, 03:24:45 AM »

Yes, my only groups so far average about 3/8" at 25 yards, very accurate guns. What rings did you use when mounting scope Snowwolf? Where did you get them?
I had a local stock maker lower the comb way down on this gun as I intend on using it without scope but, would be nice to have the ability to mount one for load development.
While the triggers are far from good Don(stock maker) said he applied some STP to them while working on stock and they appear acceptable, now.
Steve

Snowwolfe · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2010, 08:18:18 AM »

I believe this is the scope mount I used:
http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leapers_Accushot_1_Pc_Mount_w_1_Rings_High_11mm_Dovetail/636

Another person steered me to it and it works perfectly.

S.B. · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2010, 03:36:43 PM »

Thanks. Wish they had just quick release rings in 11mm?
Steve

Snowwolfe · « **Reply #20 on:** February 21, 2010, 01:29:59 PM »

Went out yesterday with a new load. 54 grains of H4831, Rem 9 1/2 mag primers, and 220 grain Hornady Interlocks. One quick spin of the regulating wheel and I was in business. 4 shots alternating barrels went under 1.5 inches at 50 yards. Load didnt have any high pressure signs so will up it to 55 grains and try it next week.
I think 220's will be perfect for this rifle as it is designed for short ranges (under 100 yards or so).

So far I am impressed enough that I just bought another one, same caliber, but this one is an O/U. Mechanically the rifle works everytime. Once I get the load maxed out and regulated will drop off the scope and install a small "red dot" style sight and get the triggers done which should help improve accuracy as well.