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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #30 on: December 18, 2009, 04:10:12 PM »
The article that TN linked to in the original post claims that turning the gun sideways and firing was an early 20th Century military innovation for taking out large numbers of people with automatic weapons. This of course works well for da rappa gansta types since they sure don't give a crap about who or how many people get shot or killed when they pull the trigger:

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During the first half of the 20th century, soldiers used the side grip for the express purpose of endangering throngs of people. Some automatic weapons from this era—like the Mauser C96 or the grease gun—fired so quickly or with such dramatic recoil that soldiers found it impossible to aim anything but the first shot. Soldiers began tilting the weapons, so that the recoil sent the gun reeling in a horizontal rather than vertical arc, enabling them to spray bullets into an onrushing enemy battalion instead of over their heads.

Nowadays, the only time professionals use the side grip is while holding riot shields, which limit their field of vision. Turning the gun and raising it up make the sight slightly more visible.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #31 on: December 18, 2009, 04:11:51 PM »
We had a couple of them show up at our range last year, with a 9mm handgun and a 9mm carbine.  The tall one was showing he short one how to shoot....holding the pistol sideways, he shot at the ground about 20' ahead, and hit it every time!  Then the little guy took the carbine, placed the stock on TOP of his shoulder, and put his eye against the scope........it was painful to watch.  If he had had a real gun instead of a 9mm toy rifle, he would have lost an eye....

Wasn't there a range officer there to keep them from doing stupid things?  The next thing after the ricochet fromthe dirt is a shot into the guy at the next bench.

But, please, let them do anything to keep from being accurate.

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #32 on: December 18, 2009, 04:12:32 PM »
In reality the sideways crapper grip has probably saved a lot of lives. MORONS. POWDERMAN.  :D :D

Not sure about that... seems they hit more innocents than they do other bangers with their sideways guns.  :(
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #33 on: December 18, 2009, 06:52:25 PM »
Is there anything the hip hop community does that makes sense?  One of the things that just turns my stomach when I see it is someone that has an SUV or a 4 wheel drive pick up and has those thin tires on big rims.  I just want to slap them sometimes. 

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #34 on: December 18, 2009, 06:56:21 PM »
We had a couple of them show up at our range last year, with a 9mm handgun and a 9mm carbine.  The tall one was showing he short one how to shoot....holding the pistol sideways, he shot at the ground about 20' ahead, and hit it every time!  Then the little guy took the carbine, placed the stock on TOP of his shoulder, and put his eye against the scope........it was painful to watch.  If he had had a real gun instead of a 9mm toy rifle, he would have lost an eye....

Wasn't there a range officer there to keep them from doing stupid things?  The next thing after the ricochet fromthe dirt is a shot into the guy at the next bench.

But, please, let them do anything to keep from being accurate.

Anyone have a picture of a Polish revolver?

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #35 on: December 18, 2009, 09:43:53 PM »
I saw some "homies" at the local range two weeks ago.  Needless to say I was scared of being shot in the back.  They were creepy, not at all responsive to courtesy, crazy looking, and lacked any sense of weapons handling.  When I first learned to shoot I at least had the sense to NOT point the muzzle at people intentionally or otherwise- apparently that's not a constant for most people.  Anyways, they were holding their pistol by the slide and carrying it around with the muzzle pointing to their rears, waving it around and pointing with it (finger still on the trigger), obviously weren't at all knowledgable about the safeties and mechanical aspects of the machine, tried to "bo-blast" like a "gangsta" with a sideways grip and were also pumping their arms while shooting (I THINK that came from westerns- since arm movement was incidental when fan-firing or quickly cocking and firing dual duel pistols), they would cock their heads back and to the sides to see the sights instead of indexing the sights to their linear sight plane, jerked the trigger as fast as possible, used poor form and locked up their shoulder blades instead of their forearms to support that heavy 1 1/2lb polymer pistol.... I had them shoot my handi in 45-70 and tried to be nice enough that they would allow me the courtesy of checking my 50yd target without them simultaneously firing in the neighboring lane (they'd miss and probably skip a few rounds into my legs).  They were nice enough once I got them talking and shared their gun too, but I was legitimately scared that they'd have an nd and bleed me due to it (I didn't see an nd the whole time though).  I was hard pressed to NOT slip into hateful, racist thinking.  I did remain pleasant throughout and probably taught them to use that pistol to protect themselves a bit better, definitely gave them an idea about how to conduct themselves on a public range with proper courtesy and situational awareness, but I doubt it was enough.  Someday soon there will be a negligent discharge or accident from those people.  I sincerely hope that the family DOES learn more comprehensive martial skills but jumping around like a bunch of you know whats and acting foolish leads me to believe otherwise.  I did my part to do the right thing for everyone involved but I'm more racist after seeing that incident.  I know that being a former marine I have extreme discipline and situational awareness (pertaining to how I handle a weapon) relative to "average" citizens and cannot expect that of all, but I do expect common sense.  I almost understand why demcrats fear guns now, if I were ignorant of guns then I'd be completely scared of those people having them too.  I know I sound like a jerk being that specific about their innept and grossly incompetent ways but it was bothering me so much I wanted to make a post on it before, now i'm just adding onto this one.  I don't think racism is the way but seeing all that BET, MTV and other gangsta phenomena, then seeing it myself from well-meaning non-criminals even, I do feel a bit more "discriminating" and will probably just drive right on by the next time I see someone that doesn't look like me at the range.  

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #36 on: December 18, 2009, 09:57:10 PM »
Anyone have a picture of a Polish revolver?

This one's called a Newfoundland Revolver ...

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #37 on: December 18, 2009, 10:05:21 PM »
I think that they'd probably bump the cylinder latch just trying to get a grip and dump out the rounds sadly (the rounds would fall out forward since it's reversed).  they're too stupid to operate a real gun, they couldn't do the world a favor with that one.  sorry tn... can you find me a picture of a homie using a surplus mauser or mosin with headspace issues?

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #38 on: December 18, 2009, 10:11:43 PM »
I'm looking for a good pic of one that's been bedazzled and pimped out. Of course I'm a hypocrite, I drool over pearl handled fully engraved single action revolvers.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #39 on: December 18, 2009, 10:24:47 PM »
no that's not hypocrisy unless it's so shiny that you really cannot use it due to glare-induced blindness (like a polished stainless to be used in desert for a sass competition, WHY?)

engraving and good handles add character.  I guess if you use a bandana while you shoot then your western ethnic ideal could be pre-hood red/blue outlaw?


I'm a cheapskate and just slap hogue monogrips on everything I can find a reason to do so.  I have feminine little hands and need the extra grip.

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2009, 11:29:36 PM »
SKUNK. Elmer Keith stated many years ago that by holding the thompson sideways it eliminated the muzzle jumping up. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #41 on: December 18, 2009, 11:38:36 PM »
thompsons were 13lbs and fired .45acp.... what jump?  originals had a 1200 or so rpm rate of fire though.... did the bolt slap the gun around that bad?

then again keith pulled off some strange stuff.... his methods worked for him but few others.  are we ever gonna get a replacement for that guy?

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #42 on: December 18, 2009, 11:54:27 PM »
 Me and a buddy were joking about this while out plinking once. With my 1911, I was able to get respectable accuracy after a few mags. Him with his Sig 229 too.

 Don't knock it 'till ya try it....... homie ;D
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #43 on: December 19, 2009, 12:43:25 AM »
Talking about hitting what you shoot at....
What about the news stories on TV, everytime there is a shoot out the cops fire a bunch of rounds with a few hits, very low hit ratio and these guys are trained

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #44 on: December 19, 2009, 02:45:40 AM »
  TM;
   Sadly, that problem seems to be spreading across the country..and across ethnic & neighborhood lines....
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #45 on: December 19, 2009, 04:14:13 AM »
Anyone have a picture of a Polish revolver?

This one's called a Newfoundland Revolver ...


Now that's funny--right there.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #46 on: December 19, 2009, 04:42:42 AM »
Me and a buddy were joking about this while out plinking once. With my 1911, I was able to get respectable accuracy after a few mags. Him with his Sig 229 too.

 Don't knock it 'till ya try it....... homie ;D

  There must be a reason the weapons designers put the sights on top.. Just as I have told more than one would-be blacksmith who chokes up too far on the hammer handle..."What do you think the rest of the handle is on there for" ?
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2009, 04:54:48 AM »


Don't think its an ethnic issue ...


Hey dont knock Bruce Campbell! That man has done some serious zombie killing in his time so that sideways method must work! Who's the guy on the left? Vanilla Ice?
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #48 on: December 19, 2009, 05:34:57 AM »
 yall don t educatum.. letum keep telling those that watchum,, the right way to hold a gun ..
 absolute ups my chances in a gun fight withum ..quite a bit ..don t you think ..
 so yea the right way to fire a handgun is side ways.. you look much meaner an the rnd
is gonna do a lot more damage when it hits me..right on bro.gettum dude :D slim
 magooch that was funny now..idont care what anybody says ;D

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #49 on: December 19, 2009, 06:54:27 AM »
When I first came in we still had grease guns in my armory, not much in the way of sights. My Dad had taught that weapon when he was in and he told me hold it straight up, aim lower left corner and walk it to upper right.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #50 on: December 19, 2009, 07:33:07 AM »
Don't know who the duffus is on the left but if he pulled the trigger on a .45 holding like that it would probably fly out of his hand and catch him in the jewels.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #51 on: December 19, 2009, 07:59:03 AM »
When I first came in we still had grease guns in my armory, not much in the way of sights. My Dad had taught that weapon when he was in and he told me hold it straight up, aim lower left corner and walk it to upper right.

  Right on TN ! That's my experience with full-auto weapons, particularly the grease gun. That used to be a function of the butt plate being lower than the center of the barrel. With repeated recoil, the weapon tends to pivot upward with the butt plate as a pivot point.

  The M-16 series negates much of this, since the barrel is more on line with the stock/buttplate and the sights are raised, that is exactly why Dr Stoner designed it that way.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #52 on: December 19, 2009, 12:32:04 PM »
"ITS COOL MAN" lol..... they would be dead in an instant after it fell out their hand firing a weapon like that


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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #53 on: December 19, 2009, 02:17:49 PM »
Maybe they will start holding them backwards to match the bills on their caps & then we can solve the problem!
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2009, 02:53:05 PM »
The sideways "Homie-Hold" is likely to keep from rippin skin during recoil as the bejewelled fingers get whacked.

Or, Maybe Homie just likes to see his rings while he's bustin a cap.

He's gotta stay in style.

Then, Maybe the hold is a cry from the inner child.  Homie is so tat'd and jewelled that he has a deep identity cry-sis
and the assumed masculine hold gives him a sense of manliness.....................

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #55 on: December 19, 2009, 05:02:27 PM »
skunk

is that for real....oh man.  you gotta be  kidding

i have often wondered how with their pants so underslung they carry a gun?

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #56 on: December 20, 2009, 12:26:45 AM »
Maybe they will start holding them backwards to match the bills on their caps & then we can solve the problem!

   Hey Nomo...
    Their hats are on straight..it's their heads that are on backwards.. ;) :D ;D
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #57 on: December 20, 2009, 04:16:09 AM »
skunk

is that for real....oh man.  you gotta be  kidding

Redtail,

I doubt it's for real. I went to the website that's listed on the brochure, but I never found the product. I'm guessing it's a photo-shop picture designed specifically for conversations like this thread.
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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #58 on: December 20, 2009, 11:30:31 AM »
I think littlecanoe got it right, they watch their BLING! while they shoot, probably try to watch the brass eject too and watch that bling go through the air.

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Re: Why Do Rappers Hold Their Guns Sideways?
« Reply #59 on: December 20, 2009, 11:51:08 AM »
Don't know who the duffus is on the left but if he pulled the trigger on a .45 holding like that it would probably fly out of his hand and catch him in the jewels.

    Gotta be a real "chowder head"! :D ;D :P
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