I thought about the Varmitt stock but it does not have enough drop to it. The stock I have now is a semi-monte carlo youth and it is difficult to get my head low enough to sight down the barrel properly. I will have to investigate the survivor stock. Ya I know, just buy a straight stock and be done, but I have handled a Tamer and thought the stock made the gun VERY handi, just a little short. Thanks JamesIII