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« on: December 28, 2009, 06:30:33 AM »
Napolitano Acknowledges Security Failed in Allowing Terror Suspect on Plane
 
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Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano conceded Monday that airline security failed in allowing a Nigerian on a terror watch list and allegedly armed with explosives onto a Detroit-bound flight, a turnaround from her declaration a day day earlier that "the system worked."


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Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano speaks to reporters Dec. 7 in Washington. (Reuters Photo)
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano conceded Monday that airline security failed in allowing a Nigerian on a terror watch list and allegedly armed with explosives onto a Detroit-bound flight, a turnaround from her declaration a day day earlier that "the system worked."

The secretary's comment Sunday was widely criticized, given that suspect Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was foiled because his explosive mixture did not properly detonate and he was stopped in his tracks by vigilant passengers.

The suspect, who carried the explosive in his underwear, passed through security at two airports -- in Nigeria and Amsterdam, Netherlands. Plus he was not on any "no-fly" list, even though he was on a massive federal database of people with suspected ties to terrorists and his father apparently had warned U.S. embassy officials in Nigeria about his son.

"Here, clearly, something went awry. We want to fix that problem," Napolitano told Fox News on Monday.

She said officials are doing a complete review to determine what needs to change to prevent such a passenger from clearing security in the future.

"No secretary of homeland security would sit here and say that a system worked prior to this incident which allowed this individual to get on this plane," Napolitano said.

Her comments marked a change in tone from the day before, when she lauded security officials' handling of the affair.

"I think the important thing to recognize here is that once this incident occurred, everything happened that should have," she said on ABC's "This Week" on Sunday. "We trained for this. We planned for this."

On CNN's "State of the Union," she said: "One thing I'd like to point out is that the system worked."

The statement was swiftly condemned. Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., told CBS' "Face the Nation" that the system "failed in every respect."

On Fox News, Napolitano clarified Monday that she was referring to security precautions that went into effect for other flights following the incident in Detroit.

"My comment was that once this incident occurred we were able to immediately notify the 128 flights already in the air from Europe," she said. "We were able to immediately institute new security precautions. ... And we were immediately able to provide additional security for the traveling public."

She said the current system was in place before she took the helm at the Department of Homeland Security, and that she was "familiar" with that system. She said officials will now look "backwards" to determine what went wrong.

"This individual was able to get on this plane with this material. That should not have happened," she said.

Some lawmakers continued to express concern Monday about the administration's response to the incident, and warning signs that were missed.

Harold Demuren, the head of the Nigerian Civil Aviation Authority, said Abdulmutallab paid cash on Dec. 16 for the $2,831 round-trip ticket from Lagos, Nigeria, to Detroit via Amsterdam -- a ticket that came from a KLM office in Accra, Ghana. Demuren said Abdulmutallab checked into his flight with only a small carryon bag.

King said that alone should have qualified the passenger for "secondary screening."

"What more do you need to at least give the guy a pat down?" he told Fox News, adding that Napolitano needs to show some "intensity" over the attempted attack.

"Janet Napolitano has now told two different stories in two days. First she said everything worked. Now she says it didn't work," King said.

"Success is stopping these attacks, not responding to them," Rep. Pete Hoekstra, R-Mich., told Fox News.

Law enforcement officials believed the suspect tried to ignite a two-part concoction of the high explosive PETN and possibly a glycol-based liquid explosive, setting off popping, smoke and some fire but no deadly detonation.

An apparent malfunction in a device designed to detonate the PETN may have been all that saved the 278 passengers and the crew aboard Northwest Flight 253. No undercover air marshal was on board and passengers and crew subdued the suspect when he tried to set off the explosion. He succeeded only in starting a fire on himself.

Security experts said airport "puffer" machines that blow air on a passenger to collect and analyze residues would probably have detected the powder, as would bomb-sniffing dogs or a hands-on search using a swab. Most passengers in airports only go through magnetometers, which detect metal rather than explosives.

Abdulmutallab was treated for burns and was released Sunday to a prison 50 miles outside of Detroit

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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 06:34:20 AM »
we never need another bloated do nothing agency. just let the fbi and cia and nsa do their jobs. stop all the political crap and start dealing with this problem in a common sense way. above all, take this business seriously. you know your life hangs in the balance.

jesus these do gooders and 'PC" beuracrates are going to shink our ship.

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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 07:22:24 AM »
I am very surprised they didn,t blame Bush for it.
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 09:11:21 AM »
The rules were in place, it was the people that failed to follow them.  Which means more rules won't help either.

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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 09:36:44 AM »
If she were a republican, there would be a wide insistence that she resign.
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« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 10:04:08 AM »
Let's frisk more little old ladies and well dressed Caucasian business men... that will fix everything.

I hope that when the SOB lit his underwear bomb it burned is nads off.   
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« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 10:32:22 AM »
Just heard this on Cavuto at Fox News: "The system worked brilliantly! If the system was some very powerful passengers jumping over seats to grab the bomber and a defective detonator. That was the only system that worked"

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« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 10:41:02 AM »
It's very interesting to see this learned behavior of passenger aggession since 9/11. There have been a number of such events and the passengers defended themselves in each case that I'm aware of. There was one in a California bound jet liner where a single passenger jumped the trouble maker and held him until the jet landed.
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« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 11:27:36 AM »
Sounds simple to me. Simply pass a 2nd law making it illegal to break the first  law. Problem solved. ORRRRRR, make all the Godless ones fly their own plane, no real people allowed, just the scum. Napolitino is scum too, another osama pawn. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 12:54:30 PM »
i am surprised obama and his cronies have not arrested all who jumped the terrorist . they probably will charge them for taking the law into their own hands "vigilantes'.

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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 01:24:24 PM »
i am surprised obama and his cronies have not arrested all who jumped the terrorist . they probably will charge them for taking the law into their own hands "vigilantes'.

Wouldn't surprise me in the least. They should have snapped his neck or at least crushed his windpipe during the struggle. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 01:28:21 PM »
just look at the news today...christ they are all over the place with their responses and Obama just off the golf course po'ed because he was forced into saying something.

he is weak his administration is weak and we, us, Americans will pay in the coming months with our lives because he is so stupid and weak. our enemy just like any predator senses this and is closing in......

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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 02:24:24 PM »
IT worked we were immediately able to alert all 128 planes in the air that due to our screw-up you may be blown out of the air at any moment--- How comforting.
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2009, 02:26:54 PM »
Nappie flip flopping. One of those Liberal traits. Political correctness instead of actual national security measures, will likely result in another terrorist attack. Each security breach is like a test run to learn from, for those planning an attack.

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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2009, 02:52:03 PM »
worse yet he boarded the plane without a passport.

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 03:30:43 PM »
Just wait til they blow one up on takeoff with full tanks over a densely populated city. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 03:42:12 PM »
I was jokeing when I said they would blame Bush,now I saw on  the main stream media that they were fallowing the Bush policys
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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2009, 03:59:37 PM »
I was jokeing when I said they would blame Bush,now I saw on  the main stream media that they were fallowing the Bush policys

SOP for the Liberal scum either blame Bush or the Jews.

I surely hope the passengers beat the tar out of this guy. I'd love to throw a few haymakers at him. I'd hate to beat him to death because the dead feel no pain.
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« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2009, 04:19:29 PM »
BILLY. Hopefully his gene pool has been painfully terminated. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

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« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2009, 03:25:07 AM »
A little checking would probably reveal that the "would-be bomber" is related to the "Chosen One"--a second, or third cousin?  We have met the enemy and the enemy got elected.
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