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Offline kenpoist

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Swaging Presses
« on: June 23, 2009, 04:52:34 AM »
I'm looking at buying a swaging press.
Right now I'm using my reloading press for 9mm.
I believe the Walnut Hill is the best press for the money followed by the Sea Girt.
However, I have a RCBS JR3 that I use for my rifle reloading and I will only be swaging up to a .308 168 gn jacketed bullets.
The .308 bullets will be for 1000 yards so I want to build quality not quantity per se.
So the Walnut Hill may be more press then I need and the Sea Girt would be the better buy (it's $100 less in price).

TIA for all the responses

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2009, 05:09:42 AM »
I am not familiar with the JR3, but if it as solid as a standard rock chucker and properly aligned it will be fine for small qty. production.
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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2009, 06:47:18 AM »
Kenpoist, both RCE presses are good buys ( investments) for their prices, that's a fact. Whether to save money geting a Sea Gert  rather than a WH ( with it's ability to be used in reloading) is a decision based upon personal circumstance. If you are never going to make 50BMG bullets, and have enough room on your reloading bench for two presses, go with the Sea Girt. After having said that, remember that when you go to resell your RCE press, you'll most likely recover 90% of it's cost ( have you ever watched the bidding on any auction site on any bullet swaging tooling or supplies???). So, the $145 'extra' you spend on a WH press and SH adapter, will only actually be $12 !!! You have to look at your reloading/swaging stuff as an investment... not money out the door when you buy. For $12 I'd certainly get the reloading capability, and perhaps consider swaging much larger bullets in the future. A warning though... be sure that RCE agrees to make jacketed bullet dies for you. Do not assume that the company will continue to sell these items in the future. They no longer advertise them. As of today I don't know any other firm that makes die sets for the RCE presses.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2009, 10:41:17 AM »
Wow did I mess up that post.
Here is what I meant to say.
I've purchased swaging -R dies for 9mm from Corbins and I use them on my JR3 (not the Rockchucker).
I reload my handgun ammo on a Dillon rl550b and I reload all my long range ammo (.308) on my JR3.
I'm happy with the loading on the JR3 so I really don't need to replace it.
So my question on the presses should have been.
I'm not really looking at Corbins CSP-1 due to the $598 price tag and that leaves me with the Walnut Press and the Sea Girt for considerations.
Since I won't be reloading on the swaging press and I won't be making any bullets bigger then 30 cal. the Walnut Hill press my be more than I need and the Sea Girt might be a better fit for my application.

As for making bullets to sell I can't image anyone knocking down my door for my bullets regardless of how good they are.
In addition at the speed I'd be working with a manual press I wouldn't be able to charge enough to make it financially worth while.
I find good tools make the job more enjoyable and swaging is only a side benefit to shooting.
For most of us (I could be wrong) the joy is throwing the lead down range not squishing it into shape.
But I've found swaging and reloading very therapeutic.

Thanks for taking the time to read and respond.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2009, 04:13:28 PM »
So...., you've decided to get a Sea Girt. Great! About selling bullets and wondering if others may want what you make: You need a "Type 6" FFL to sell bullets that you make, whether they are jacketed or not. You can give them away... that's OK ( at least by the letter of the Law), but you can't sell them without the "type 6". I've seen on other boards where some folks say that's not true, but they are wrong. You can't argue with the facts. Anyway, if you sell what you make and get cought and prosecuted, your firearms ownership days ( amoung other lesser things) are over. While you are right that you can't make a living making bullets on a manual press, you'd be surprised how many shooters would like to try bullets in weights/shapes that aren't on the mass market. I don't know what sort of .308 die set you are thinking about getting, but mine has multible capabilities: Flat base, rebated boattail, 6 & 8S, and RN points. Considering the OT, LT and FMJ capability of any set, and the weight range of the set I have ( 60-130 grains) there is a staggering ability to make almost any sort of .308 most shooters would be interested in. Being able to cut jackets to length, and being able to canneluer contributes greatly. So maybe 4 or 5 times a year I get small orders for bullets. I get more from the satisfaction of making them for sale than the cash benefit. Too, wnen I munch down on that Venison sausage, there's a little pleasure knowing it's been provided by one of my bullets.  By the way, the CSP-1 is priced to cover costs and bring a modest profit: Richard Corbin at RCE probably looses money on those presses he just about gives away. In my opinion, given proper advertising, he could outsell the CSP-1 with the WH press even at equal prices.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2009, 11:53:18 AM »
I believe RCE makes/sells adapters for his presses that will permit the use of any brand of dies (hint, hint)... slight additional cost. Even the "reloading press" die sets. !! Luck.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 03:52:41 AM »
Does RCE presses have a different thread so they will not accept any Corbin dies? I am thinking about buying a press and do not want to get something that I will have trouble getting dies for.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 04:37:34 AM »
RCE's manual press's have a different size ram thread than those from Corbin Mfg Co, but it sells an adapter set that will allow use of Corbin 'M' and S' dies. The adapter screws into the ram: the head threads are standard for all reloading and punch holding dies in this industry.( the set includes the thread reduction bushing and 'tails' that are easily fixed on the die's internal punches as the press has a unique stroke length). It also sells a Shell Holder Adapter that will allow use of Corbin's 'R' dies, and CH dies. Both Adapters are about $50 each. I believe these same adapters will fit all other production bullet swaging dies, for small table top presses, made in this country. After having said that, the reason RCE's threads are different ( both in diameter and in spacing) is that it's dies are larger and theoretically able to take much more pressure.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2009, 06:34:19 AM »
Other than the 50.00 for the adapter are there any other reasons not to buy the RCE press? Which do you recommend? I have considered this a long time and have reloaded since the early 60's but have never made any swaged bullets except for the CH half jacked bullets for a 357 caliber. I still have those dies. The Corbin press is almost twice the cost of the RCE and I am curious if the quality is that much better?

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2009, 07:34:32 AM »
Here's a little insight: Richard, who IS RCE, is Dave Corbin's brother. He was the lead Machinist at Corbin Manufacturing for decades, and if he didn't 'invent' many of the tools and concepts Corbin Mfg is noted for, he certainly 'rounded' them out. His Walnut Hill press is his idea of a quantum upgrade of the CSP-1. I have both, and I can't say he's wrong. The biggest downside of either of these companies and their tools is that their existance depends upon their leader. If either passes, and they are not spring chickens, I don't know who will take over the support, or when they can???  Another reason not to buy the RCE press is that Richard may not build you any dies for it. You'll have to ask him that if you bought one of his presses, will he make and sell you lead bullet as well as jacketed bullet dies now and in the future. He's trying to "retire" from any new work, and only promices Paper Patch bullet dies to the general public at this time. He's real easy to communicate with. Drop him an email. Sure, if you have one of his adapters you can get other firm's dies, but he really does fine work at a lesser price.  There are other disadvantages, but all bullet swage companies share them equally: difficulty in getting jackets above 30 caliber, long waits between ordering a tool and getting it, very high up front costs, and federal and state government licences if you intend to sell bullets to the public. PS: your CH/4D dies will work in the WH or Seagert press if you get the shell holder adapter.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 09:16:31 AM »
FWIW - I believe Larry Blackmon will make dies to fit other presses - he made the .22 swaging set I use in a Corbin CSP press. For your purposes, Blackmon's press may suit also, at considerably less $$$.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2009, 04:32:41 PM »
I appreciate the info. I will try to contact Blackmon tomorrow.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 05:36:13 PM »
I spoke with Blackmon before Christmas about makeing dies for my Corbin S press and he said he was not going to do them any more and he was back loged so bad that he was going to stop takeing orders for a while . Richard just made me a .251 die for my Corbin S press that is in the hands of UPS right now so he would probably help you as well .Marvin

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2010, 04:45:35 PM »
I second everything Talon said about RCE and Richard Corbin versus Corbin Mfg. I have owned presses from both companies and much prefer RCE's Walnut Hill.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2010, 06:34:08 AM »
I hope the wait is worth it. I have been waiting 4 months and have considered going ahead and getting a Corbin S press which they have in stock with no wait. I just don't want to have to wait a year for something and then have a problem getting dies and have to wait another year. I hope the Walnut hill press is worth the wait.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2010, 07:50:58 AM »
It is worth the wait for the Walnut Hill press! If you want the best---the WH is by far.

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Re: Swaging Presses
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2010, 04:41:43 AM »
Richard is still making dies.  His new website now has an ordering function as well as having some dies in stock.
Bret