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Tactical parts?
« on: January 02, 2010, 10:09:55 AM »
Has anyone used the Tactical stock and for-end from Midway USA?  If so how did this effect accuracy?  Thanks. 

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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 10:10:53 AM »
tactical for a handi?

thats like tits on a bull

no offense, to each their own
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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2010, 10:23:32 AM »
tactical for a handi?

thats like tits on a bull

no offense, to each their own
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2010, 10:55:33 AM »
perhaps a tacticool ML might be nice, all lazered and lighted up, a bipod and a fancy schmantzy ventilated forearm with rails all over it to hang usless stuff on....<><.... ::)


sorry, could not help myself. I see what guys do to AR's and it makes me laugh, cry, and throw up, all at the same time....<><.... :D
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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2010, 11:03:31 AM »
WOW!  I can make me an assault Handi!  How cool is that?

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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2010, 11:34:17 AM »
How about gluing a 30 round clip on the forearm to confuse folks ;D
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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2010, 11:37:44 AM »
Om all for bagging on tacticool stuff, but perhaps he was looking for the accuracy improvement rather than the tacticoolness.

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2010, 02:19:13 PM »
Handi's just don't seem like the right platform to go tactical.  Traditional yes, tactical no. 

My son's last deployment was with the 82nd airborne in Baghdad during 'the surge.'  His M4 had an issue Aimpoint, a tac light, and an infrared laser.  He added a hi-intensity green laser (for warning off haji's), a bipod (to keep the sand out when/if you had to set it down), and a vertical forend grip (due to weight with all this 'stuff').  They spent 15 months doing continuous urban patrols (day and night) and kicking doors.  He wouldn't configure it any other way!

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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2010, 07:24:40 PM »
Has anyone used the Tactical stock and for-end from Midway USA?  If so how did this effect accuracy?  Thanks. 

I am glad everyone isn't in the same room as you, armed with sticks!!!!

I had a Superlite Compact 22 Hornet Handi and put a 4-16x40 scope on it so my teenage boys christened it their "sniper" rifle. As the standard stock had no cheek piece, I bought a add-on cheek piece from www.combathunting.com, they have all the tactical stuff for Handis and every other kind of rifle and shotgun.

Good luck. All you have to do now is post pictures when you are done.

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« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2010, 05:04:30 AM »
I bought the rifle for my son when he was 10, he is 16 now.  He has grown enough to add an adult stock and has always wanted an AR but we can't afford that.  For the last three years my son has bow hunted only and only uses the rifle to coyote hunt.  I have not been on this site in a long time and boy has it changed.  It used to be very helpful, what a shame.  Oh, and not one person tried to answer my questions.  I guess this site is like tits on a boar hog.

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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2010, 05:20:55 AM »
The ATI stocks have been discussed many times, for the most part, most consider them toy like, some have found them useful for kid's rifles that adults like to use occasionally due to the adjustable stock, use the search for ATI Shotforce, you'll get some older posts on it.

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2010, 05:28:22 AM »
What ever happened to IT"S YOUR RIFLE DO WHAT YOU WANT!!!!!!!!!
That has always been the thing on this board.
Makes the rest of us not want to show what we have done to our handis.
I'm sure that if you make it your own style, you will love it.



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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2010, 05:38:48 AM »
to answer your question, I feel they do affect accuracy a tiny bit.

brother had one on a 223 he got from a gun show a while back. I let him use one of my stock sets; the difference between the 2 was about .5" @ 100
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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2010, 05:51:28 AM »
Kwells, was the differnce an improvement or degradation.

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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 06:00:01 AM »
sorry, it opened up the group, so degredation
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 06:05:10 AM »

Well I can see I'm in the minority,but i like my ATI stock on my 223.Would've liked to get a bull barrel,but this one works.Didn't like the low feel to it and added a piece of foam for the cheek weld.It'll do 3/4" at 100 and that's good enough for me.If I had a long banana clip I might try the stick on tape.Slow
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2010, 06:35:45 AM »
Actually I really wasn't trying to degrade the topic but a clip attached in such a fashion would be a good place to carry extra ammo, plus provide a forward grip,( gonna look for a 44 mag clip now)
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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2010, 05:57:29 AM »
My next project is going to be a cut off 30-30  with a collapable stock, I have alot of ammo to burn up, and very limited space in the jeep  :D
(good enough excuse right?)  I had an ATI along time ago, and it wasnt that great but a friend got a newer one and it seemed to be much better made than my original.
what the heck, Money is only worth something if you spend it right? ;D

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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2010, 07:13:12 AM »
Slow, that don't look halfbad. If you tapered the foam to fit and coversd it with some felt black/cammo tape it might come to life. might cut a longer one to trim down. Might try it on one of mine. eddiegjr
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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2010, 09:29:14 AM »
oktx, I had a .17 HMR with an ATI stock on it.  I originally put the ATI on my .44 Mag Handi and didn't like it.  I swapped stocks with my .17 HMR heavy barrel and still didn't like it.  I sold the .17 with the ATI and bought a pallet wood .223 Handi.  I couldn't see any difference in accuracy between the ATI and the factory synthetic.  It's your rifle, have a blast, do what you want with it......you can always change something if you don't like it.  And yes, kids like the assault rifle look.

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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2010, 10:44:21 AM »
Beware the Tactical Stone Ax

I have come to loathe the terms “tactical” and “operator”. Take something, paint it black, add 20% to the cost and call it tactical. Tactical is one of those terms that has become so over used/abused due to marketing and consumer ignorance. Just yesterday I sent a letter to the editor of the Marine Times asking what they were thinking. The Oct 19 edition has an article on Tactical Tomahawks. I almost choked reading through that junk. It tried to show how a $550 tomahawk could be used in a combat setting for tasks such as breaching and rescues. Sure it could work but why would someone want to use a tomahawk when they could use a purpose built piece of gear to do the same job more effectively and at the same time save themselves from all the ridicule of their peers because they showed up with a tomahawk. After years of deployments and military life, I have yet to see a guy carrying a tomahawk. I think a good majority of the time these tactical gurus are nothing more than armchair commandos and internet operators.

It is all similar to the idea that certain cartridges are obsolete and ineffective at taking a deer. i.e. “you need this .338 ultra magnum because the 30-30 is underpowered for deer.” Give me a break; it is the indian and not the arrow. I recall growing up, my grandpa would go hunting with a rifle and the clothes on his back. Fancy to him was taking a pair of binoculars or using a rifle with a scope. I scoff at some of these hunting shows on cable TV. Guy does nothing but advertise for all his sponsored gear and equipment that is “essential” to putting that big buck down. Scent blocking, anti-UV clothes, newest super short mag cartridge fired from a $2000 dollar custom rifle topped with a $2500 scope, electronic game calls, laser range finder, tripod that you have to unpack and set up to shoot from, and of course a beautiful female guide to take them to the most productive spots on the game farm.

I try to do it like grandpa: me, my gun and lunch – in a brown paper bag. Oops, almost forgot my trusty tomahawk.
Rant over, excuse me while I go vommit.

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 Why do you bother packing a tomahawk? That is just extra weight. You can make your own out in the field/woods. All you need is a forked limb, a stone and some sinew. Cutting the forked limb is very easy with a chainsaw. If you don’t have one you can avoid having to completely rough it by using a Tactical Tomahawk. The stone is pretty easy, but some considerations should be given in the selection. You don’t want to use one that was previously someones’ pet rock that has gone astray. Numerous studies have been done and it’s a unanimous consensus that former pet rocks don’t make good tomahawks. Even in Hollywood movies, you just don’t see an Indian using a tomahawk made from a pet rock. The sinew is the tough part. You are in a desperate situation—you need a tomahawk. If it weren’t a life or death deal you might take an extreme gamble of getting a deer to get some sinew using a 30-30. But that is too risky. You need a .338 Ultra Magnum it gets em EVERYTIME even in the hands of less experienced operators that have lesser tactical skills. You can avoid all this hassle if you get a 4WD long bed diesel and a 4wd quad ATV—then you can haul the needed gear.

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 , the stone tomahawk head is a great idea… in theory. I used to carry a rock for my tomahawk, though it was a rather large rock – more along the lines of a battle axe than tomahawk. Anyway, long story short, I had my rock with me on a deer hunt. Two bucks were locking horns and distracted me (common deer tactic) while a doe snuck up from behind and got the drop on me. She startled me and I ended up dropping said rock on my foot. Broke some toes – leather moccassins, while tactical because they allow me move so stealthily, don’t provide much protection for the feet from misplaced tomahawks.

Thus began my dislike for products labeled as “tactical”.

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Re: Tactical parts?
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2010, 04:14:45 AM »
I agree the term Tactical is an over used marketing gimick, and I too gringe or laugh when I hear it.

But ive talked to a few of my buddys that have come back from Iraq, and they said more than a few people had those tomahawks, and he said they were great, basically a  pry bar with a axe head on  it. Ive not held one so I dont know the weight but I think of it this way. If I could have that, and it can do what a purpose built tool can do plus split heads, then im taking the head splitter.

I agree most of the stuff now a days has gotten ridiculous, hasnt that always been the case when it come to marketing

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« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2010, 03:35:33 PM »
I am sorry your answer wasn't given due credit, this board is and always will be the best guide for H&R related questions. Our opinions are quick to be posted but an answer sometines isn't.
To your answer, I believe some of the new "Tactical" equipment is useful, and I am still in the middle of working up a modified Survivor forearm with shortened Weaver scope rails to mount useful additions I am no Urban Assault group, but that doesn't mean I can't benifit from their equipment. I find a small light weight flashlight mounted on my forarm is very usefull. A small Laser can be as well, depending on your needs. A HandiRifle isn't an Assault Rifle, but I feel if you want to add on an addition that is useful to you then more power to you.




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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2010, 05:22:59 PM »
WelI think that there is a Tactical looking ,50 BMG singleshot  that looks very good --A Barrett M99..
 You could do a play on that look  --- maybe a   45 - 70  or  rechamber to a  45-120
 
Might be a very nice look with the good looking oversized  muzzel break    --- maybe even a new line for H&R !   
A 45-120 would have a report to match the look .
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« Reply #24 on: January 09, 2010, 07:40:08 AM »
 how about the chaote varmite rifle stock. i like mine, it's comfortable and looks kinda tactical, seems to be good quality. also a tactical 45-120 with a muzzle brake sounds very interesting :) for us guys that can't afford a barret.
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2010, 09:28:51 AM »
Yes I do think chaote is well made --- The chaote stock I have  from the early '80
still looks great ! It is far more rugged then wood    I would pay extra for the chaote  name .
  I have alwas thought "tactial" was - rapid fire --but there is  - tough -rugged dependable nice shooting, too
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2010, 03:14:57 AM »
I have been on both sides of this issue with the ATI collapseable stock.  First and foremost(punny) the forearm in my opinion has giving some of the BEST accuracy between barrel swapping and has given very good results on a 25-06, 243, and 22lr.  I dont know if its because it is so stiff and wide channeled, or I was just lucky.

The stock however, at first I thought very flimsy.  It rattles and eventually worked loose on my frame.  The bolt hole is oversized and constant opening and closing of the action must have opened the hole more.  I since repaired it with putty weld and has become a new favorite in stocks.  I am ready to order at least one more at this point for another project.  As far as accuracy, It has shot one hole 50 yard groups with the 25-06, and 1" and under with a youth 20" 243 at the 100yd mark.  It goes from very short, I think 9" LOP to long in seconds, and makes setting up and shooting between two different size shooters a piece of cake.  The short is actually shorter than the youth stocks on the H&R's.

Now on which type of sights you are going to use,...Bead sights need a very hard cheek press to even come close to sighting down the barrel, and is impossible for my son to do.  Open iron sights are a little bit easier, and with the 22lr can be achieved if you move your cheek further toward the hammer.  A scope on low rings as I have done mostly is almost perfect(for my shooting style).  A higher mount will start to need a cheek rest, IMHO.

I say buy one, and if you dont like it, offer it up on this site,...heck I just might buy it from you. ;D

Goodluck,...

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I first hated these stocks and felt ripped off, but as with a Handi rifle shooter I was willing to tinker, and found this stock to be very practical, and tackticool.  Both my young sons seen to take to the rifle with this stock.
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