Author Topic: NORINCO FIELD TEST (Read 1414 times)

williamlayton · « **on:** November 19, 2009, 12:35:01 PM »

The Norinco and I went dancing today at the range----boy was the weather nice.
I ran 150 hadr ball and 50 HP's thru the Pig in a poke Norinco.
This thing could grow on a boy--and it would not be fungus.
My homemade target--paper plates and stick on glo in the dark dots were the aim point.
First---The Norinco digested all of the ammo fed it thru three different Mags and one of then was the old Norinco Mag. Ner a hickup.
The small sights on the thing have got to go--I was basically shooting down the barrel--the front sight was not to be found

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I kept the vast majority of all fired an the plate at 25 yards and by the end of the session the dot was gone---lest you think that is real good---that is 200 round of .45 caliber at 25 yards, free hand. I was pleased but I was more impressed with the Ol Norc.
The weapon shoots real good and is a stable and steady platform. It is, suprisingly to me, a better feeling platform that the other Colt Government that i was shooting by its side from time too time today. It may be just a tad heavier but not by much, if it is.
The trigger is not a thing of beauty--lots of free board and gritty pull. It has got too be delt with.
Thumb safety has got to go---got to. The extractor need some work but it will get a new extended one---was weak in ejecting cases too close too me and not enough angle away from me. Whole new set of springs--just too make sure.
MSH is flat---I like arched, but that may wait awhile.
Grip safety was very good. I sometimes have a problem in this area, but I am satisfied.
Lack of a beavertail was not a distraction. Though a bite is not uncommon too me from this set-up.
At this point---if the lugs don't start taking a beating from poor lock-up---I am not ashamed too say I was just wrong about the Norc. This field test---though short---was pretty impressive.
Blessings

PS
I ordered some Esmarelda eye candy to go on the handles. got to do something to make this thing look decent.
Vandenberg will deal with the sights and trigger and a can of shake and bake for a new finish.

Mikey · « **Reply #1 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:33:22 AM »

Williamlayton: I tol ya so (that's #1, and I'm glad for you). #2: Esmerelda is eye candy, and she makes beautiful grips too. jmtcw.

rawhidekid · « **Reply #2 on:** November 20, 2009, 04:47:08 AM »

Glad to hear you have a good platform for your project.

I had read beforre when the Norenco first came out that many gunsmiths liked it as a platform. I peresonnely think that the smaller the sight the better to make you consentrate. Of course that is ok for paper but not for a gunfight.

williamlayton · « **Reply #3 on:** November 20, 2009, 11:24:55 AM »

Now I knew that when I posted 1) Mikey was gonna rub it in 2) I deserved to get my nose rubbed in it

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I would retract it all--but when you stand on your soapbox and shout--you have to let everbody take a shot at yourownself.
I was wrong---well I was wrong but There is still a problem.
I will discuss it on the thread where it belongs.
Blessings

rawhidekid · « **Reply #4 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:00:46 PM »

williamlayton; I in no way ment what I said in a negative manner. I was congratulaing you on a good find.

Sorry if you took it wrong. $:-\$

ironglow · « **Reply #5 on:** November 20, 2009, 01:10:19 PM »

Bill;
Glad you had a good shooting session..but I missed something..
Perhaps I came in to the middle of a discussion...what model Norinco is this? A handgun obviously,and I, not being a big handgun guy..you guys may be talking over my head..

williamlayton · « **Reply #6 on:** November 20, 2009, 02:16:23 PM »

Rawhide
Yes you did--Yes you did and my feelings are hurt and I am gonna take my gun and go home.

I don't/did not ake any comment you made to be a slur---but I could take it if you did.

IG
It is a 1911 and i been going on about this thang fer a while now---come on over/up to the Norinco thing I am posting.
Blessings
Bill

ironglow · « **Reply #7 on:** November 20, 2009, 03:38:00 PM »

OK Bill. thanks;
I'm not a big handgun fan myself, though I have had the .357 & .44 mags..guess I'm a rifleman at heart..even a rimfire fan. Although I have had a carry permit for years, I never have carried much. I may start carrying now though upon occasion, what with so many shootings going on. Guess I'll stay with rimfire though and plan on face shots if ever needed.
I'll pay a visit over on the 1911 site though..

1911crazy · « **Reply #8 on:** December 13, 2009, 05:27:05 AM »

William; To me you have purchased one of the best 1911a1's out there. Mine has been flawless too. The chinese copy is awesome. This gun renewed my faith in the 1911's and showed me what all the hype is about.

After shooting my norinco 1911 i went out looking for a new 1911 with no frills, bells or whistles i wanted a low budget 1911 as a shooter beater. I found the new Auto Ordnance army WW2 copy and right out of the box its as flawless as my norinco is only tighter because its brand new. This renewed my faith that a manufacturer right here in Mass. could make a 1911 that functions flawlessly right out of the box.

If you remember my work i did on my norinco a while back with the IAI national match barrel bushing(CDNN), the new $59 barrel and full length guide rod (SPG) and the IAI full wrap around rubber grips (CDNN). Its the pride of my 1911 fleet now. Lubed with moly too.

After all the fitting i did it shoots cloverleafs and who ever i let shoot it even new shooters can shoot 1 cloverleaf per mag if they focus. My work on the slide is done now its the frame rails next. It cycles much faster more like a race gun too.

I learned to shoot all my short barreled handguns the sameway by looking down the barrel and covering what i want to hit. I noticed by shooting different handgun at the same time its harder to master each one so the shorter barrels
I shoot this way at shorter distances of course.

williamlayton · « **Reply #9 on:** December 13, 2009, 08:22:07 AM »

Well I put some parts on.
Arched mainspring---boys you are better mechanics than I. I almost gave up-but one more pinch and a push and it was in.
Gettin the old out out was some what the same. I don't think I want to do this for a living---I would starve.
Bushing gave me a problem also---I'm telling you boys one thing---I was cussin ya'll for talking me into this, for awhile.
The thumb safety was pretty staight forward--I thought, til Ed looked at it and said good try--I will finish it up. I don't know what he ment--I tucked tail and crawled away.
He has the trigger and the sights-----and anything I missed or messed up. Well, er, anywho--the grips, saoas the screws fit.
I tried boys---really I tried---gave me further appreciation of your skills and Ed's.
I had about five hours on the time card.
Go ahead and laugh and slander---i deserve it.

Blessings

rawhidekid · « **Reply #10 on:** December 13, 2009, 01:59:31 PM »

I don't know of to many people that do something new like a pro the first time. You are being to hard on yourself, lighten up, like the old song said "be happy".

1911crazy · « **Reply #11 on:** January 11, 2010, 09:06:52 AM »

William;

What changes did you end up doing??

How does it work now?

You should try the two piece full length guide rod and the 18# recoil spring. This will make it cycle smoother and faster with less over travel plus take some of the bark out of the recoil too. It calms down the 1911 and improves my accuracy for sure.

williamlayton · « **Reply #12 on:** January 12, 2010, 01:01:59 AM »

It is still at Vandenbergs for sights, finish and a couple of other things I cant do.
February.
Blessings

S.S. · « **Reply #13 on:** January 12, 2010, 03:14:57 PM »

I knew Big Bill would chime in on this one.
He has been preaching this for years.
Nothing wrong with those Norincos.

1911crazy · « **Reply #14 on:** January 15, 2010, 03:57:12 PM »

Quote from: S.S. on January 12, 2010, 03:14:57 PM

I knew Big Bill would chime in on this one.
He has been preaching this for years.
Nothing wrong with those Norincos.

I never had a good cycling 1911 till i got the norinco. Now i know how good the 1911 really is. My new auto-ordnance army ww2 copy1911a1 is as good as my norinco is right out of the box and i find it funny that a company here in the USA can make a 1911 that good when most of the other manufacturers can't. I was about to give up owning a 1911 because of problems in the past with new ones. Then i found the norinco.....i never knew that auto's could be that good. Now the first thing i do to any 1911 is to polish the feed ramp and get the blued or plating off of it, because it slows down the feeding. Some of the larger hollow points will bind on the feeding ramp if its not polished too.

Savage · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2010, 12:46:19 AM »

I never had a good cycling 1911 till i got the norinco. Now i know how good the 1911 really is. My new auto-ordnance army ww2 copy1911a1 is as good as my norinco is right out of the box and i find it funny that a company here in the USA can make a 1911 that good when most of the other manufacturers can't. I was about to give up owning a 1911 because of problems in the past with new ones. Then i found the norinco.....i never knew that auto's could be that good. Now the first thing i do to any 1911 is to polish the feed ramp and get the blued or plating off of it, because it slows down the feeding. Some of the larger hollow points will bind on the feeding ramp if its not polished too.
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Don't know where you've been getting all these problematic pistols. Of the dozens I've owned over the past 40+ yrs. I've had a total of three that required work to cycle properly. One was an Essex (parts gun) a new Para, and a RIA. The Essex and Para are long gone. The RIA is running these days, looking for a home. It's pretty hard to manufacture a faulty 1911 milspec, so even the low end ones usually run these days. The Norinco is a good base pistol, but hardly representative of "State of the art" 1911s.
Savage

1911crazy · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2010, 06:51:41 AM »

I had two new colt 1911a1's from the mid 70's to early 80's that had jams most of the time. Colt had quality problems back them. Even a new springer that stove pipes 1rd per mag. Mikey told me its the mag so i picked up two new mcormic mags for it but i haven't tried them yet. I sold the colts but kept the series 90 springer because its purdy in black park. Heck i even had a new colt python that had cylinder timing problems too. If there is a bad one out there i get it for some reason

......so if i say a gun is good you can bank on that....

If the people in China @ norinco, the people right here in Mass. @ the auto ordnance company and the people at CZ firearms can manufacture a pistol that cycles right out of the box flawlessly then why can't the rest of the manufacturers. Don't they test fire a full mag when they test fire it? It seems to me they just rush them out to make the dollars and its the same old additude of fixing the problem in the field.

williamlayton · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2010, 10:15:56 PM »

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Blessings

double R · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2010, 12:50:15 PM »

I have had a NORINCO1911 for almost 20years. wouldn't take nothing for it .the money i saved when i bought it. i was able to fix it up and still have less money in it than what a gold cup would have cost.

williamlayton · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2010, 02:46:30 PM »

I understand--but there is also value in a gold cup.
Blessings

double R · « **Reply #20 on:** January 23, 2010, 03:33:50 AM »

I have owned gold cups ,70 series colts,thomson 1911's.But i have had more long term luck with the norinco.Have shot many a bowling pin match with it.