Author Topic: Haiti in ruins after earthquake? (Read 4843 times)

myronman3 · « **Reply #120 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:35:12 PM »

i have been around here to long enough that i have disagreed and argued with damn near everyone at one point or another. and just because of i may have had a heated arguement with someone, doesnt mean i dismiss a persons points or views. we all get angry at times and can say some pretty vicious things. the funniest thing is that most times i have really gotten into it with people, the reality is that our opinions are often times very similiar in most regards. it is in the splitting of hairs; the fine print that we g.b.o. members often disagree and then in turn argue over.

no matter how much you may dislike someone, every once in a while they will hit the nail square on the head.

i realize that i get caught up in stuff a little too much at times and i try really hard not to take myself all that seriously. the fact is if g.b.o. members were to meet and have no idea who they were talking to, they would probably be very good friends by the end of the day.

and i know that billy doesnt enjoy the suffering of those people, in fact i can see it disgusts him as much as anyone. billy has a different view, and he is setting emotion aside and voicing it in a different manner, which i understand upsets and angers some people. but he is right that alot of this didnt need to be as bad as it is. understand those people were SCREWED long before the earthquake hit. in fact, the quake might turn out to be the best thing that has happened to the survivors in their lives. it is hard to believe from our understanding of the world, but look at it through their eyes.

so there is no big revelation to me, i am just taking things alot less seriously these days and seeing it for how it is.

Matt · « **Reply #121 on:** January 16, 2010, 05:40:24 PM »

Man it sure does scare me when I am in agreement with Billy.... Makes me want to run for cover as the sky is surely about to start falling soon... $:-\$

But anyway, I don't have a problem with helping them as long as it is limited to food, water, clothing, blankets and maybe some surplus tents. I guess I just don't have that save everyone mentality and for sure don't have the help them even if they don't help themselves mentality. I follow more the survival of the fittest and natural selection line of thinking. They are over populated and do nothing about it so as tragic as it is that so many died in doing so it may have prolonged the lives of just as many if not more.

Oh yeah and as to the money going to Haiti, I would dare say that well over 70% of it gets lost or finds its way to a corrupt politician or other such criminal.

Matt

jimster · « **Reply #122 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:14:01 AM »

Oh yeah and as to the money going to Haiti, I would dare say that well over 70% of it gets lost or finds its way to a corrupt politician or other such criminal.

The Feds don't have any money. Fact. If private citizens want to send REAL money that they do have, go ahead.
Feds have no business sending money they don't have, and charging us with it. That is wrong, and I can find nothing anywhere in our laws that says a broken government that is trillions in debt can send money anywhere. It's impossible because there is none. I'm not sure I can find anywhere in our laws where they can send our tax money anywhere like this....if they were not broke.

powderman · « **Reply #123 on:** January 17, 2010, 03:52:35 AM »

Myronman. Agreed Sir. There will be folks there now who will eat better, for a while, than they did before the quake. I truly feel sorry for them, but I see no solution to their problems. After this is over there will still be squalor and poverty, overpopulation will do that. I'd love to see everyone fed, clothed, nice comfortable home, and have a good productive life, but I don't see that happening for them. I've heard a bunch of folks saying send them money. Fact is theres nothing there to buy and the guy on the street would never see any of it. All I can do is pray. No doubt Billy feels their pain but also knows that bandaids do nothing in the long run but prolong the inevitable. POWDERMAN.

myronman3 · « **Reply #124 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:01:48 AM »

exactly.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #125 on:** January 17, 2010, 04:43:02 AM »

Quote from Billy:

"Haiti has over 900 people per square mile, its herd needs thinning."

Maybe its not so much Billys overall opinion here but more about a quote like this in the middle of this disaster that are enraging some of his critics. It may seem to some that he see's this disaster as good thing to "thin the herd".

Haiti is a nightmare and an prime example of a failed country on every front. And while I agree they are not our problem, not our making and not our problem to find a lasting solution, giving food and water to help hardly seems like that big a deal. It happens all over when thier are disasters and from Billys quote, some may think he does not beleive food & water is appropriate.

myronman3 · « **Reply #126 on:** January 17, 2010, 06:57:54 AM »

i think he feels like it is hopeless; and just putting off the inevitable. we all know that the money and supplies will fall into the hands of the corrupt; maybe a fraction of it will reach the people it was intended for. what will happen after the next big news story comes along? everything will go right back to the way it was before the quake.

it is a sad deal the entire way around with no solution that i can see.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #127 on:** January 17, 2010, 08:14:27 AM »

Myronman you are exactly right, we are just putting off the inevitable. As with many of todays political "fixes" we are just putting a temporary "fix" and leaving an even bigger problem for our future generations.

beerbelly · « **Reply #128 on:** January 18, 2010, 08:57:03 AM »

It's a waste of time ond money, nothing will change! And frankly , I could care less.
Beerbelly

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #129 on:** January 18, 2010, 09:04:03 AM »

All that sounds good on paper but they are a small boat ride from the East coast and could be a real threat if say China sets up shop there .

Spanky · « **Reply #130 on:** January 18, 2010, 09:42:06 AM »

Quote from: beerbelly on January 18, 2010, 08:57:03 AM

It's a waste of time ond money, nothing will change! And frankly , I could care less.
Beerbelly

My thoughts exactly. I'm sick of hearing about it.
Haiti was a craphole before and it'll be a craphole after.

Spanky

nw_hunter · « **Reply #131 on:** January 18, 2010, 10:34:40 AM »

Quote from: BrianB on January 14, 2010, 05:03:07 PM

Hmmmm. I think Billy may have issues.

Issues! That's putting it mildly.

Spanky · « **Reply #132 on:** January 18, 2010, 10:38:56 AM »

Billy says it like it is.

We have no business there.

Spanky

Cabin4 · « **Reply #133 on:** January 18, 2010, 11:00:36 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on January 18, 2010, 10:38:56 AM

Billy says it like it is.
We have no business there.

Spanky

We have no business supporting Israel or nation building in Iraq & Afghanistan. But many of the same folks that are here saying we should be supporting these elements in the ME to the degree we are, are many of the same saying we have no business sending food & water as a stop-gap measure as aid in a natural disaster a few hundred miles off our own shore.

Seems a bit convoluted to me.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #134 on:** January 18, 2010, 11:34:17 AM »

Yes I do have an issue or two. I'll tell you one I have is assisting an overpopulated place become even more overpopulated. How can anyone think they are helping a place that hasa grossly exceeded its carrying capacity by allowing them to populate even more? Quit letting your emotions trump your common sence.

Ok here is another solution give food aid to them if they will allow Drs.to sugically sterilize them. I mean man, woman or child. Would that please all of you who have let your emotions outweigh your common sence?

Cabin4 · « **Reply #135 on:** January 18, 2010, 11:47:21 AM »

I agree there should be an effort to stem the tide of a rising population in any country who's population is exceeding it's carrying capacity. Perhaps there needs to be a birth control effort in Haiti. I think someone said earlier that we can't ignore the role the Catholic church has in a country thats 80% Catholic. The problem is, the Catholic church does not beleive in birth control so the church won't do take on this effort and in fact is part of the problem. So that leaves either the Haitian government or the UN or the USA. Well, I vote NO for the USA to take on this role so that leaves the Haitian government and the UN. The Haitian governement is, well, not a real government. So that really only leaves the corrupt criminals at the UN to take this on.

My quess is obama is going to take over Haiti at least from a project and funding standpoint. He and his liberal freinds in congress will raid the US treasury yet again in close coordination with the NWO (UN) to prop up Haiti.

Spanky · « **Reply #136 on:** January 18, 2010, 12:36:43 PM »

Sending food and water is one thing. Sending money and troops is something else.

We got enough problems of our own. Let them take care of themselves.

Spanky

bearmgc · « **Reply #137 on:** January 18, 2010, 12:46:49 PM »

Maybe its just some of us are decidedly departing from the "politically correct", in stating we are not going to send personal donations to Haiti. If others concider that decision "unAmerican", be advised that, it is also American to be free to choose our own charities, and it is a personal decision to choose charities that have special meaning. While I pray for the Haitians, I CHOOSE to send my donations to other charities. I am an American. And I resent that our government will spend money, that I will have to pay in taxes, to support a country that I choose not to support.

gypsyman · « **Reply #138 on:** January 18, 2010, 01:19:51 PM »

After watching some of the news out of Haiti, why should we help them. When you have a helicopter land with supplies, and the biggest and strongest men, throw women and children to the ground, slap the smaller person, just so they can take the water and food. Sorry, my sympathy for that country is dwindling real quick. They want to act like animals, treat them as such. gypsyman

bearmgc · « **Reply #139 on:** January 18, 2010, 01:41:28 PM »

The Progressives, and the Socialists running our government historically, are good at spending other peoples' money for what they consider "humane" and worthwhile. I wonder how many of them have actually contributed any serious money themselves to save the Haitians. That would be telling....

myronman3 · « **Reply #140 on:** January 18, 2010, 01:50:05 PM »

i heard on the radio today they were bragging that already 90,000 pounds of supplies have been distributed. 90,000? are you $#!**ing me? that is barely more than a semi load of food, water, or whatever the hell they are handing out. already how many days and only one cotton picking sem of supplies delivered??!??

this is going to be a giant debacle by the time it is over, and is going to blow up into a political nightmare for obama. if bush were in charge, and there was only 90000 pounds of supplies delivered by this time, they would be calling for him to be hanged.

Cabin4 · « **Reply #141 on:** January 18, 2010, 02:05:34 PM »

45 tons of food & water is insignificant. That equates to about 25% of the carrying capacity of a 747 cargo freighter. If that's the real number, its actually so rediculous it's funny.

myronman3 · « **Reply #142 on:** January 18, 2010, 02:30:43 PM »

that is my point.... and i swear i heard it right. i couldnt believe they were reporting it like it was an accomplishment. they ought to be ashamed.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #143 on:** January 19, 2010, 02:55:40 AM »

Ya'll crack me up , ya gripe about the condition the people have made for themselves and at a time of need we could show the children that there are other ways to live in this world . We could offer them help . I agree it should be limited to food , meds and water and guards to make sure it is not taken over by thugs and not given to the people who need it . But to do that our house needs to be in order first.

BBF · « **Reply #144 on:** January 21, 2010, 10:27:33 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on January 18, 2010, 09:04:03 AM

All that sounds good on paper but they are a small boat ride from the East coast and could be a real threat if say China sets up shop there .

If this happens, several things will occur. The scumbag politicians will disappear, overnite never to be seen or heard from.

The birth rate will drop drastically.
Birth Control will not be an option.
Sitting on your butt will no longer be an option.
Education will have a priority and drop outs will be discouraged Chinese style.

All in all I would see it as an improvement even with Chinese Navy and Air Force
units getting much closer. After all China needs the US as an importer for their goods.

powderman · « **Reply #145 on:** January 21, 2010, 10:33:28 AM »

HEH. Quite an analysis, probably true. BUT, Christianity would be totally wiped out, no more God. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #146 on:** January 21, 2010, 10:37:35 AM »

Make China take on some of the worlds parasite load. American has been getting sucked dry by these blood sucking lice long enough. If China wants to be the big boy in the world, let em have a taste of what it's like.

Questor · « **Reply #147 on:** January 21, 2010, 11:09:07 AM »

Billy_56081, I think China is already doing their part. After all, they are lending the US money.

BBF · « **Reply #148 on:** January 21, 2010, 11:24:46 AM »

Well the Chinese Govt has a pretty simple attitude. Do it our way or you will regret it!!

Re Christianity: Religion of any kind IMO never influenced the Party's plans unless it could help them.