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Offline Oldshooter

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Re: The efffects of U.S. obesity on the great debate.
« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2010, 12:50:20 PM »

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"In comparing the 9mm to the 45ACP bullet weight is an important consideration.  In the original study by the Army that ultimately recommended a 45 caliber handgun, the Army did research on human cadavers, dead and live animals.  This was due to problems associated with 38 caliber handguns in the Philipeans.  I have a copy of the original Army research report and what I got from reading it was that bullet weight was a very very important element in their recommendation.  In their report they actually tested 9mm in 124 grain truncated cone shapped bullets."

Very good, I had heard of that study before. And I remember the Philipean problem, my Dad told me that the natives would get hopped up and machete charge and the 38's would not stop them, but the 45's did the trick. But of course these were little skinny Philipinos, dunno if a 45 could stop a bunch of low pants  over weight gangstas full of malt liquor!
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Re: The efffects of U.S. obesity on the great debate.
« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2010, 11:46:48 PM »
I have shot little deer and big deer---some ran, some dropped as they stood.
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« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2010, 02:29:44 AM »
Oldshooter , Bullets have changed since the test you note were done. One is the creation  of the 38 spl. and 357 mag.
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Re: The efffects of U.S. obesity on the great debate.
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2010, 03:19:51 AM »
Oldshooter , Bullets have changed since the test you note were done. One is the creation  of the 38 spl. and 357 mag.

So the 38 that the military used pre 45 ACP is not the 38 Special?
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« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2010, 06:16:47 AM »
Well the .38 spl was developed to replace the .38 long colt because of the phillippines.
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Re: The efffects of U.S. obesity on the great debate.
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2010, 07:26:27 AM »
i would carry a 357mag 4'' as my messenger bag gun and a 38 Special as my pocket gun.  If it worked in a war it work for me.  But a glock 26 with the new Hornady Critical Defense® Handgun Ammo would make a good gun too.
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« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2010, 12:34:10 PM »
Well the .38 spl was developed to replace the .38 long colt because of the phillippines.

Thanks for the clarification! I was under the impression that the 45 was developed because of the Philippine's and the 38 was retired!
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