Ahmadinijad..

[rio grande]

Here we go with the Nazi propaganda word Zionist again. TM that was a favorite word of Hitler and his Nazi cronies I would have thought it would have died out with them. TM wake up and smell the coffee, the Jews are not the bad guy, its your muzzy and Nazi freinds.

The Runt President of Iran has threatend to wipe Isael off that map, whether you want to believe it or not its true. Heck if he can't get somne nukes maybe you can help him ouit with getting some "4000 watt death rays" that run on AA batterys. How about you put that link up again and let everyone else see what you were talking about.

PS I'm glad your back, I missed ya, you are worht a thousand laughs.

Wie gehts Billy,
Oh yeah, Hitler and Zionism go way back.... they were allies in fact.

"...The official SS newspaper, Das Schwarze Korps, proclaimed its support for Zionism in a May 1935 front-page editorial: "The time may not be too far off when Palestine will again be able to receive its sons who have been lost to it for more than a thousand years. Our good wishes, together with official goodwill, go with them."10 Four months later, a similar article appeared in the SS paper:

"The recognition of Jewry as a racial community based on blood and not on religion leads the German government to guarantee without reservation the racial separateness of this community. The government finds itself in complete agreement with the great spiritual movement within Jewry, the so-called Zionism, with its recognition of the solidarity of Jewry around the world and its rejection of all assimilationist notions. On this basis, Germany undertakes measures that will surely play a significant role in the future in the handling of the Jewish problem around the world...."

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

You see, history can be a interesting place!
But it's like fire. Be careful with it!

[rio grande]

There is no peaceful solution in dealing with the Godless ones, their words and promises are worthless. They are taught to lie  in satans handbook, uhhhhhh, I mean their koran. Israel has given land, THEIR LAND, for peace over and over. There is no peace treaty that has ever been made that the Godless ones haven't broken. Peace is not their objective, the anhilation of Israel is what they want. They are arguing about who controls Jeruselum. No arguement to it. Jeruselum is Gods Holy city, the Godless ones have no right there and should be removed one way or the other. I look forward to the day when Israel gets a belly full and gives the Godless ones what they deserve. In the meantime they continue to feed them and take care of them, the Godless in turn continually bite the hands that feed them and keep them alive. There will be no peaceful agreements with those scum. They will continue to whine and plot the destruction of the only thing that keeps them alive, Israel. Want references??? Read the Bible. POWDERMAN.  

Yes, of course powderman, read the Bible.


“…he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.” Acts 18: 28

IN THE "HEBREW BIBLE"

rejected Him 1 Kings 8:7
forsaken Him 1 Kings 8:8
served strange gods 1 Kings 8:8
hast not kept the commandments of the Lord 1 Kings 13:13
forsaken the commandments of God 3 Kings 18:18
forsaken the Lord Isaias 65:11
forgotten His holy mountain ( the commandments from Mt. Sinai) Isaias 65:11
didn't listen to Him Isaias 65:11
did evil Isaias 65:11
didn't answer Him Isaias 65:11
chosen the things that displease God Isaias 65:11
forsake God Jeremias 2:13
made up their own religion "that holds no water" Jeremias 2:13
had not done God's work Ezekiel 20:23
cast off His laws Ezekiel 20:23
their eyes were after the idols of their fathers Ezekiel 20:23
defiled Israel with idols Ezekiel 36:16ff
profaned His Holy Name Ezekiel 36:16ff
lying pen of the scribes wrote falsehood Jeremias 8:7ff
they all dealt deceitfully Jeremias 8:10
sacrificed to idols Jeremias 44:23
not walked in His law Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's commandments Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's Law Baruch 2:10
the people of Israel will deny the Messiah Daniel 9:25ff
no truth in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no mercy in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no knowledge of God in Israel Osee 4:1-2
sacrificed to Baalim and other idols Osee 11:2
covetous in all the Israelites Amos 9:1
departed form the Law Malachias 2:8-12
made void the Covenant Malachias 2:8-12
not kept God's ways Malachias 2:8-12
despised their brothers Malachias 2:8-12
committed abominations Malachias 2:8-12
profaned the holiness of the Lord Malachias 2:8-12
married the daughter of strange gods Malachias 2:8-12

IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

accused by Moses John 5:45-47
adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
agents of the devil John 8:44
blind Matthew 23:26
blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
children of Hell Matthew 23:15
children of the devil John 8:44
crucifiers Matthew 23:34
dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
dogs Matthew 7:6; Apocalypse 22:16
foolish Matthew 23:17
full of dead men's bones Matthew 23:27
haters of God John 15:24,25
hypocrites Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29
idolaters Apocalypse 22:16
iniquitous Matthew 23:28
killers of the just Matthew 23:35
killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
liars John 8:44, 55; Apocalypse 22:16
murderers Matthew 23:31; Apocalypse 22:15
offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
serpents Matthew 23:33
sorcerers Apocalypse 22:16
swine Matthew 7:6
synagogue of Satan Apocalypse 2:9, 3:9
unchaste Apocalypse 22:16
unclean Matthew 23:25
vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27

axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

Not to say that Jews have not been blessed by God, or have not done great things - but simply to point out that they, like us, have failings.
And they are wrong when they follow racist ideologies which promote murder, hatred, theft, torture and aggressive war.
AND, if we do not admonish and correct them we do wrong.

powderman, there are no 'godless people', God loves and desires the salvation of all.
Where individual Muslims do evil, they must be dealt with - in mercy, with the absolute minimum of bloodshed.
And innocent Muslims must not be harmed.
"Blessed are the Peacemakers" He said.
And He wasn't referring to Colt Single Actions.

[rio grande]

"And despite the hysteria about Iran's imminent testing of a bomb, the U.S. intelligence community still has not changed its finding that Tehran is not seeking a bomb.

The low-enriched uranium at Natanz, enough for one test, has neither been moved nor enriched to weapons grade. Ahmadinejad this week offered to take the West's deal and trade it for fuel for its reactor. Iran's known nuclear facilities are under U.N. watch."

-Pat Buchanan

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan128.html

We're being lied into another war. Again.
Ask yourselves WHY.

[powderman]

rio. Nobody ever said that the Jews are perfect, they aren't, but they are Gods chosen people. God has blinded their eyes concerning Jesus, but their eyes will be opened in the end and ALL Jews will see and know the truth, and be saved.
Yes, there are Godless people, muslims are one. They see God through the rantings of a madman, pedophile, child rapist, murderer, they called mohamed. He taught them that God hated all the world except muslims, in their eyes God, or allah, is a God of hatred and death to all who follow JESUS CHRIST.  There is but one true God. The God of love, kindness, forgiveness and compassion. Therefore, the God they worship, as they see him, does NOT exist, making them Godlesss. All muslims read from and take direction from satans handbook, the koran. If anybody believes in islam, then they would also have to believe that 600 years after Gods only Son was murdered God changed his mind about Jesus and then supported mohamed. The goal of islam, satans own, is, was, always will be the total anhilation of everything Jesus Christ taught and built. The Godless ones brag that they believe in Jesus as a prophet, baloney. Satan will use just enough truth to tell a lie, and thats what islam teaches. Mohamed was a false prophet, certainly not a prophet of God, and islam is a false religion. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

My understanding is The Muslims do believe in Jesus and his virgin Birth from Mary. They believe he is a great prophet , (Just not greater than their Mohammad ) I also understand they never invoke Jesus's name without saying (Peace be upon him).
They do not believe in his crucifixion however, They believe God intervened and saved him prior to being placed on the cross and brought him to heaven. The Muslims believe the Israelite s rejected Jesus, and conspired to kill him. They also believe  Jesus will descend again to confirm Gods teachings.  


What I do find interesting is in my own Christian faith the accounts of the day of Jesus crucifixion differ when he was brought before Pilate , One book refers to the days events the crowd yelled Give us Barabbas , while another book refers to the days events The Jews yelled Give us Barabbas.

I remember this was also a Homily our priest spoke about regarding prejudice and as Christians we need to ensure we have our own back yard cleaned up before we comment on others.  

Others have used these slight differences in each Apostles Biblical account of that day when describing events that led up to the crucifixion to lay the blame for the crucifixion of Jesus on the Jews and justify anti-Semitism.

[powderman]

SCOOTRD. Are you saying that mohamed and Jesus shared the same values and convictions??? Not even close. POWDERMAN. 

[scootrd]

SCOOTRD. Are you saying that mohamed and Jesus shared the same values and convictions??? Not even close. POWDERMAN.  

No I am just stating factual information about what Muslims believe about Jesus and what their Q'ran says about Jesus.
I have made no statement in regards to values and/or convictions.

Another interesting fact I find fascinating is Jesus Name is mentioned over 90 times in the Q'ran, Mohammads name is mentioned only a little over 20 times or so. Additionally I seem to recall reading somewhere Ahmadinijad was a descendant from the Jewish Faith. His family changed their name an converted to Islam. Don't know if it's true but I believe the story broke last year.  Quick update  -  found a reference to the story here http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2009/10/05/is_mahmoud_ahmadinejad_jewish

One additional last thought , where I fall wayyy short as a Christian is I don't care if somebody worships a darn chair.. I know I should but I don't. I figure It will all be sorted out in the end. I just don't want anyone pushing their religious beliefs on me and I won't push mine on others. But I am also intelligent enough to recognize we as Christians are not pure , and have a very checkered past as well . Killing millions in the name of God is just as wrong whether it's Islamic radicals or Christian Crusades.  

There are fringe elements in all walks of life , societies and religions.  I suspect from all I have learned of God teachings and Love is he must be truly ashamed of any persons or religion that kills in his name whether that be Jew, Muslim, or Gentile.

[powderman]

Jesus never ordered anybody murdered for not believing or obeying Gods laws, the koran does. I see no comparison in that death cult and Jesus Christ. The only reason satan used  Jesus name in his unholy book, koran, was to convince people that islam is good. Nope, no comparison.  POWDERMAN.  

[ironglow]

     Come on now TM, ..let's be fair..       Pm said "Jesus never ordered anyone to be murdered for not believing...." and he was totally correct. The fact is, Jesus specifically told his disciples that those who refused to hear the truth should be abandoned to their ways (Matt 10:14, Mark 6:11, Luke 9:5). His disciples followed his instructions closely (Acts 13:50,51), doing no physical harm to those who "would no hear". The NT..which is basically the story of Jesus was compiled between 30 AD and 100 AD by many men moved by God, while the Koran was compiled about 620 AD by one man moved (IMO by ?).
   I have shown you Jesus' admonitions concerning evangelism, now let's look at the view of Mohammed...direct quotes;
 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm
  
  Scootrd;
   Yes, they believe those things about Jesus..we also read in (James 2:19) that the devils also believe...and tremble. Their pronouncements about Jesus being a "great teacher", a "prophet" etc are no more than what many other cults do. Cults such as James Jones & others probably have things about 95% correct. It is the other 5% which leads to their final assignment...
   Unless one believes Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son, they have missed the entire message of the Gospel.
  
  Rio Grande;
  Yes, don't get too "theological", you may come up short ! Yes, God wants all people to be saved and He makes clear provision for it in (John 3:16). He is not willing that any should suffer damnation (2 Peter 3:9)..but they must come to repentance...especially from  following false gods.
   Which leads to another point you belabored PM with. Yes, few are godless..but many are following the wrong gods......not the God..

" Enter ye in at the strait gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat. Because strait is the gate and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." ...(Matthew 7:13,14)
  
...And yes; God WILL at a point, finally give up on trying to help an individual to enter into Heaven.. (Romans 1:22-28)
    
    ...And yes, there are some "godless" ones..those very ones shown in the book of Romans..who knowingly and freely indulged in various sins and turned their back upon God. Does not Romans 1:28 outline almost perfectly, today's total athiest ?
  
      ..But since we are "getting theological" Rio Grande, and myself bring evangelical..I am moved to ask if you have personally obeyed God's demand..as outlined in (John 3:1&7)...Have you been "born again"..can you recall a time when you personally made that commitment ?  If not; you, Powderman, myself and many others are operating on different levels..just talking past each other..

  
  (Matt; sorry about the large, empty space..my "enter' key is sticking for some reason.)


























 

[ironglow]

There is no peaceful solution in dealing with the Godless ones, their words and promises are worthless. They are taught to lie  in satans handbook, uhhhhhh, I mean their koran. Israel has given land, THEIR LAND, for peace over and over. There is no peace treaty that has ever been made that the Godless ones haven't broken. Peace is not their objective, the anhilation of Israel is what they want. They are arguing about who controls Jeruselum. No arguement to it. Jeruselum is Gods Holy city, the Godless ones have no right there and should be removed one way or the other. I look forward to the day when Israel gets a belly full and gives the Godless ones what they deserve. In the meantime they continue to feed them and take care of them, the Godless in turn continually bite the hands that feed them and keep them alive. There will be no peaceful agreements with those scum. They will continue to whine and plot the destruction of the only thing that keeps them alive, Israel. Want references??? Read the Bible. POWDERMAN.  

Yes, of course powderman, read the Bible.


“…he powerfully refuted the Jews in public, showing by the Scriptures that the Christ was Jesus.” Acts 18: 28

IN THE "HEBREW BIBLE"

rejected Him 1 Kings 8:7
forsaken Him 1 Kings 8:8
served strange gods 1 Kings 8:8
hast not kept the commandments of the Lord 1 Kings 13:13
forsaken the commandments of God 3 Kings 18:18
forsaken the Lord Isaias 65:11
forgotten His holy mountain ( the commandments from Mt. Sinai) Isaias 65:11
didn't listen to Him Isaias 65:11
did evil Isaias 65:11
didn't answer Him Isaias 65:11
chosen the things that displease God Isaias 65:11
forsake God Jeremias 2:13
made up their own religion "that holds no water" Jeremias 2:13
had not done God's work Ezekiel 20:23
cast off His laws Ezekiel 20:23
their eyes were after the idols of their fathers Ezekiel 20:23
defiled Israel with idols Ezekiel 36:16ff
profaned His Holy Name Ezekiel 36:16ff
lying pen of the scribes wrote falsehood Jeremias 8:7ff
they all dealt deceitfully Jeremias 8:10
sacrificed to idols Jeremias 44:23
not walked in His law Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's commandments Jeremias 44:23
disobeyed God's Law Baruch 2:10
the people of Israel will deny the Messiah Daniel 9:25ff
no truth in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no mercy in Israel Osee 4:1-2
no knowledge of God in Israel Osee 4:1-2
sacrificed to Baalim and other idols Osee 11:2
covetous in all the Israelites Amos 9:1
departed form the Law Malachias 2:8-12
made void the Covenant Malachias 2:8-12
not kept God's ways Malachias 2:8-12
despised their brothers Malachias 2:8-12
committed abominations Malachias 2:8-12
profaned the holiness of the Lord Malachias 2:8-12
married the daughter of strange gods Malachias 2:8-12

IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

accused by Moses John 5:45-47
adversaries to all men I Thessalonians 2:14
agents of the devil John 8:44
blind Matthew 23:26
blind guides Matthew 23:16, 17, 19, 24
children of Hell Matthew 23:15
children of the devil John 8:44
crucifiers Matthew 23:34
dangerous leaven Matthew 16:6-12; Mark 8:15; Luke 12:1
defectors Matthew 15:6; Mark 7:9, 13; John 5:45, 46, 47
deicides I Thessalonians 2:14-15
dogs Matthew 7:6; Apocalypse 22:16
foolish Matthew 23:17
full of dead men's bones Matthew 23:27
haters of God John 15:24,25
hypocrites Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29
idolaters Apocalypse 22:16
iniquitous Matthew 23:28
killers of the just Matthew 23:35
killers of the prophets Matthew 23:37; I Thessalonians 2:14-15
liars John 8:44, 55; Apocalypse 22:16
murderers Matthew 23:31; Apocalypse 22:15
offspring of vipers Luke 3:7
purveyors of fables Titus 1:13-14
serpents Matthew 23:33
sorcerers Apocalypse 22:16
swine Matthew 7:6
synagogue of Satan Apocalypse 2:9, 3:9
unchaste Apocalypse 22:16
unclean Matthew 23:25
vipers Matthew 3:7; 12:34; 23:33
whited sepulchers Matthew 23:27

axe laid to the root Matthew 3:10
cast into the fire Matthew 3:10; 7:19; Luke 3:9
condemned Mark 16:16
cut down Matthew 3:10
in vain do they worship me Matthew 15:9; Mark 7:7
judgment of Hell Matthew 23:33
shall be broken Matthew 21:44
shall be ground into powder Matthew 21:44
the kingdom of God shall be taken from you Matthew 21:43
woe Matthew 23:13, 14, 15, 16, 23, 25, 27; Luke 11:42, 46, 47, 52
wrath Matthew 3:7; Luke 3:7; 21:23; St. Paul in I Thessalonians 2:16
you do not enter the kingdom of Heaven Matthew 23:13

Not to say that Jews have not been blessed by God, or have not done great things - but simply to point out that they, like us, have failings.
And they are wrong when they follow racist ideologies which promote murder, hatred, theft, torture and aggressive war.
AND, if we do not admonish and correct them we do wrong.

powderman, there are no 'godless people', God loves and desires the salvation of all.
Where individual Muslims do evil, they must be dealt with - in mercy, with the absolute minimum of bloodshed.
And innocent Muslims must not be harmed.
"Blessed are the Peacemakers" He said.
And He wasn't referring to Colt Single Actions.

   Rio Grande;
  You went into a great deal of effort to type all those instances in your effort to discredit the Jews, ..but look at each instance, the verse applies to certain individuals or groups, not the whole Jewish people. At any time we can find individuals or groups who call themselves Christian, who could be receiving the same warnings.
    For instance; Jesus said, " Verily, verily I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God" (John 3:3)
   and " Marvel not that I said unto thee,, Ye MUST be born again". (John 3:7, my emphasis)

    Many who claim Christ have not obeyed his command...and are being warned many ways in John Chapter 3..
 

[scootrd]

  Scootrd;
   Yes, they believe those things about Jesus..we also read in (James 2:19) that the devils also believe...and tremble. Their pronouncements about Jesus being a "great teacher", a "prophet" etc are no more than what many other cults do. Cults such as James Jones & others probably have things about 95% correct. It is the other 5% which leads to their final assignment...
   Unless one believes Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son, they have missed the entire message of the Gospel.

IG ,
I argue none of what you say , Again I state, I am very much a poor Christian when it comes to trying to convert others. I believe what I believe and leave conversions up to men of the cloth to do this body of work. Right or wrong That is just my way.

My only and single point in this whole discussion is there are millions of Muslims living in many many countries , Singapore , Indonesia, Morocco, Mali, Sierra Leone, Albania, Qutar , and yes Iran to name a few, who are peaceful non radical people , that in perhaps a Christians eyes may have received a wrong message , but have not harmed nor ever will harm another person.  

I guess I am just not ready to condemn a whole body of peoples who live in peace daily because their religious beliefs differ from mine all because of some Islamic religious radical extremist fundamentalist nut jobs.
It's a slippery slope once we start down that path ..who do we religiously persecute next ? should we condemn the Buddhist?  The Jews? The Hindu's?  In the beginning of America,  Many Immigrants fled to the new world (and still do today) to avoid religious prosecution. My own family were Acadian and fled Europe during the time they were burning churches to settle in Nova Scotia prior to immigrating to the young U.S.  I have no qualms with anyone who practices any faith of their choosing even if it differs from mine or whether I agree or disagree as long as they do so in peace and respect others who beliefs are different than theirs as I respect ther right to choose as well.  

Should not God and God alone decide?
  
Does not the Bible teach us in Matthew 7

1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

[powderman]

I can still see those peaceful Godless ones dancing in the street all over the world, including America, right after 9-11-01. They may not be actively participation in the slaughter of innocents, but they sure are not complaining about it. POWDERMAN.   

[DDZ]

I can still see those peaceful Godless ones dancing in the street all over the world, including America, right after 9-11-01. They may not be actively participation in the slaughter of innocents, but they sure are not complaining about it. POWDERMAN.   

Powderman:  There are some that forget the reaction of the Muslims after the terrorist attacks on our country. They just want to sweep it under the rug and continue on with their quest to proclaim Muslims as a peaceful people. Then there are others that can see with their God given eyes what the Muslims are really about.
It isn't about hate as some proclaim. Its more of a matter of right and wrong.

So the quran is a spiritual guide for living a humane life. I guess we were wrong all along. Or maybe the Muslims have a different definition of humane. I guess they see killing their own children because they want to convert to Christianity as humane. Or strapping plastic explosives to themselves and walking into a crowded building with women and children, then blowing themselves and everyone else up.  I think they chop hands off for stealing. Yeah, Thats pretty humane. That will teach them a lesson. They also like to fly airplanes into crowded buildings. Maybe they misunderstand what the quran says. Or do they have the quran figured out to a T.

[Dixie Dude]

I think one of the reasons the Muslims hate us today, is not so much because of Israel, but because most Americans are not Christians anymore.  We have become secular.  Hollywood has poured out movies that promote homosexuality, free sex, cursing, among other things.  When Americans dressed more modest, and lived more rightous and clean, we were respected.  Before gay rights, and womens lib, and free sex, abortions, easy divorce, etc.  This is all unclean among Muslims.  In 1960, over 50% of Americans attended church regularly.  TV and Movies were clean and the good guys always won.  Morals were taught, look at TV shows like The Rifleman, leave it to Beaver, Father Knows best, Lassie, Roy Rodgers.  Everything was good and clean, and evil was shunned, consequences were taught. 

[ironglow]

  Scootrd;
   Yes, they believe those things about Jesus..we also read in (James 2:19) that the devils also believe...and tremble. Their pronouncements about Jesus being a "great teacher", a "prophet" etc are no more than what many other cults do. Cults such as James Jones & others probably have things about 95% correct. It is the other 5% which leads to their final assignment...
   Unless one believes Jesus is the Son of God and God the Son, they have missed the entire message of the Gospel.

IG ,
I argue none of what you say , Again I state, I am very much a poor Christian when it comes to trying to convert others. I believe what I believe and leave conversions up to men of the cloth to do this body of work. Right or wrong That is just my way.

My only and single point in this whole discussion is there are millions of Muslims living in many many countries , Singapore , Indonesia, Morocco, Mali, Sierra Leone, Albania, Qutar , and yes Iran to name a few, who are peaceful non radical people , that in perhaps a Christians eyes may have received a wrong message , but have not harmed nor ever will harm another person.  

I guess I am just not ready to condemn a whole body of peoples who live in peace daily because their religious beliefs differ from mine all because of some Islamic religious radical extremist fundamentalist nut jobs.
It's a slippery slope once we start down that path ..who do we religiously persecute next ? should we condemn the Buddhist?  The Jews? The Hindu's?  In the beginning of America,  Many Immigrants fled to the new world (and still do today) to avoid religious prosecution. My own family were Acadian and fled Europe during the time they were burning churches to settle in Nova Scotia prior to immigrating to the young U.S.  I have no qualms with anyone who practices any faith of their choosing even if it differs from mine or whether I agree or disagree as long as they do so in peace and respect others who beliefs are different than theirs as I respect ther right to choose as well.  

Should not God and God alone decide?
  
Does not the Bible teach us in Matthew 7

1“Do not judge, or you too will be judged.
2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?
5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

  No, I don't think every Muslim is involved in jihad, but I would sure like to hear a bit more outrage about terrorism than we do. Surely, if it were monsters doing such evil deeds and claiming to be Christians..I would be first up to criticize and aid authorities in catching the  terrorists. There may be some Muslims aiding authorities..I hope there are...but there's little evidence of it right now..

   Your post goes on to reinforce the verses I provided wherein Jesus said that if we faithfully present the gospel and they still reject it, we're just to "shake the dust" from our feet and go on. However, don't leave evangelism to "men of the cloth" (a rather outdated, innocous term). too many men "of the cloth" are shirking their duty, while the unsaved languish. I think we have all seen the "professional" who is more concerned with the choir, the homeless, the poor, women's rights or even abortion rights...and never speak a word of the "great commission".
    In addition (Mark 16:15) was not meant for just theprofessional...it was meant for every Christian. We should be ready to share our faith in season & out of season..and preferrably do it by not being obnoxious. That is the great commission....and the duty of every Christian. In fact, we should not need to be told to share it. If the Gospel truly is "good news"..and that is the meaning of the word..we should delight in sharing it.

 

[ironglow]

I think one of the reasons the Muslims hate us today, is not so much because of Israel, but because most Americans are not Christians anymore.  We have become secular.  Hollywood has poured out movies that promote homosexuality, free sex, cursing, among other things.  When Americans dressed more modest, and lived more rightous and clean, we were respected.  Before gay rights, and womens lib, and free sex, abortions, easy divorce, etc.  This is all unclean among Muslims.  In 1960, over 50% of Americans attended church regularly.  TV and Movies were clean and the good guys always won.  Morals were taught, look at TV shows like The Rifleman, leave it to Beaver, Father Knows best, Lassie, Roy Rodgers.  Everything was good and clean, and evil was shunned, consequences were taught. 

  DD;
  As you well know, most of that TV/Hollywood junk is unclean to many of us here in the US...as it should be to Christians. Unfortunately, we are faced with a pagan culture now. No surprise however..we were warned..

[powderman]

DDZ. Yep the koran is full of love, peace, and compassion. God will bless those who bless Israel, and condemn those who hate her. Nope, not in satans handbook, reckon ol mohamed forgot that. The hate America and hate Israel crowd can say whatever they want, but that won't change the facts. POWDERMAN.