straight pull bolt action idea.

[mtbugle]

has any one seen where the ar barrel and bolt assembly system has been used to make a simple straight pull bolt action rifle. Seems it would be easy with off shelf parts mostely. just bolt a lever to top of bolt carrier assembly using same bolts as the impimgement shroud. I am interested in ideas or if some one has already seen this done.
Thanks Don.

[Mikey]

mtbugle:  is this a hypothetical or have you seen/read something about this and want to find it again???

This is indeed a interesting idea unless you need your AR to function like a battle rifle and then, as we found out in Vietnam, Afganistan and Irag, you can be verry skweud if it goes single shot on ya....

The idea of a straight pull bolt is old, yet remains extremely sound and reliable and has even been updated as recently as the 1990s.  I think the Canadian Ross in 303 British is the oldest stright pull bolt I can think of and there is the Schmidt-Rubin in 7.5mm Swiss, both great rounds.  I believe a rifle named the Blaser, a redesigned straight pull debuted in the 90s and I'm not certain but I think the M1998 Mauser was straight pull ( don't quote me on that.....).

So, there are straight pull bolt rifles out there that new would probably cost you less than a new AR upper in the caliber of your choice and the cost and labor involved to make it work like it's broken.......  ?

[jlwilliams]

  I can't quite place where I saw something like that, but I think I have.  Maybe a target rifle.  I know that some of the designs in the Bill Holms books were similar to AR bolt/barrel extension arrangements.

  Are you thinking of a complete rifle build, or an upper for an existing lower?

[woodchukhntr]

Back in the 60's we used to replace the gas piston in our M-1 Carbines with one that was too short to operate the system, thus making the carbines single-shot straight pull bolt actions.  This was done to save the brass in the field for reloading.  Another alternative was to drill and tap the gas block for a setscrew that could shut off the gas to the piston.

It's been a while since I owned an AR-15, and I don't remember if it is possible to block the gas flow to the bolt.  If so, Mtbugle's idea has merit, although the location of the bolt carrier handle is quite far back on the receiver.

[mtbugle]

No I have not seen it before, but just keep thinking it would be real easy to design. Lots of relatively cheep GI parts available. I have been stubing some barrels for my handi's of late and started thinking of things that could be done with the AR type platform that have not been done yet or at least I have not seen yet. It is that infernal tinker bug that keeps biting me.
Thanks Don.

[Brithunter]

Take a look here:-

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/

Due to the stupid laws here the straight pull on the AR platform is well supplied 

As of the oldest straight pull well Ross owned a Mannlicher model 1888 which probably gave him the idea of a straight pull bolt operation. There was alos the Mauser M96 Slide Bolt which used a double (16 lug) stoner type bolt head in a straight pull sporting rifle. Heym make a straight pull as do Blaser of course 

[bcp]

Left and right hand bolt handles, too.

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/?page=items&cat_id=1

Bruce

Take a look here:-

http://www.southern-gun.co.uk/

Due to the stupid laws here the straight pull on the AR platform is well supplied 

[bhod1]

I think the rifle you are thinking of is th Mauser M96. (new production) not the old swedish. Bolt head looks almost exactly like an AR. The bolt handle just pivots back and forth to lock, then pulls straight back. I bought a pair of them in 2000. They were quite nice, but there are no parts for them anywhere.

[Brithunter]

I think the rifle you are thinking of is th Mauser M96. (new production) not the old swedish. Bolt head looks almost exactly like an AR. The bolt handle just pivots back and forth to lock, then pulls straight back. I bought a pair of them in 2000. They were quite nice, but there are no parts for them anywhere.

I know the M96 Slide Bolt well as only a few weeks ago I sold mine in 6.5x55 I too brought it new:-


I needed a space on my licence and this one was the one to go.

[mtbugle]

YES, now that is about what I had in mind. Looks real good. I take it they are not still producing these or have I just not seen them.
Thanks Don.

[Brithunter]

Although the company is still called Mauser it's not the same company and it's no longer even in Obendorf  the Mauser 03 is their thing now and I don't like it. I know of the where abouts of two new M96 Slide Bolts here in the UK a .308 and a .243 both at the same shop. They didn't catch on. Poor marketing and I don't think the cheap bead blasted finish helps any even if it was and is touted as the best anti glare hunting idea  .

If the M96 Slide Bolt had been finished traditionally with a proper polish and blacked finish and the trigger guard was metal instead of a thermo plastic along with the magazine follower I really do believe it would have sold better. The bolt know is alo made from thermo plastic oh and having a non stripper bolt by the owner was abad move indeed that must have lost a few sales on it's own. Shame really as mine shot well.