NC schools want to start US History with Rutherford B. Hayes...

[bearmgc]

Currently, a proposal, that has much approval, is to start US History with the administration of Rutherford B. Hayes, in order to go more depth into current/recent history. US history is being taught in the 11th grade, and some teachers say that there is not enough time to cover everything in detail. So the proposal is to eliminate everything before Rutherford B.Hayes, and start there. 9 th graders get a Civics class. I find it appalling that the beginnings of the Republic and the civil War would not be covered under this new proposal. This was on Fox TV this AM. What say you?

[LONGTOM]

Either teach it all, the good with the bad, or none at all.
What is wrong with this country.
Are people so ashamed of our past?
I for one am not.
There were some rough and dark times but that was the way it was.
Better for our young to know about it than to not be able to answer when someone asks.

I don't even want to get started on this school stuff.
With what some of the nuts are trying to teach, it's no wonder some of the kids don't have a clue how our country works.
I don't even think our government knows anymore.
All they know is lie, cheat, spend, and pass the buck.
Oh yes, and raise taxes!



LONGTOM

[torpedoman]

It costs way too much to put in a foundation, so lets start building your house by just rolling out the carpet on the grass and putting up the walls.

[billy_56081]

Leving our founding fathers out of their rightful place in history would be an insult to their sacrifice and a travesty on our children.

[gstewart44]

Sounds more to me like a plan of liberal progressive educators to insure a generation does not have any appreciation of our founding principles of America.    By skipping ahead to Pres Hayes they will focus on the growth of America interacting with the rest of the world .... not necessarily a good thing if you forget from where we came.   

[SHOOTALL]

If you don't know where you come from how do you know where you are going ?
 This sounds like more dumbing down to ensure the loss of more freedoms .
 Maybe they need to spend less time on alternative lifestyles and more on history.

[powderman]

Sounds like something the dumcraps would love. What a crock. POWDERMAN. 

[zookiezoom]

They have left most of the truth out of history all along. I have yet to understand how a school system can require students to have two algebra classes to graduate, and most of them can't make change.

[Squib]

plus one- TM7

[Dee]

I listen to all the hoopla about leaving the founding fathers, out of our school's history teaching curriculum, which also means that to do so one must leave out the Constitution, and Bill of Rights, and where it came from, which was from the founding fathers. Everyone here seems so up set about this not being taught in our schools.
Why So?
Most (not all) of you leave the founding fathers, and the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, out of your voting considerations. You continually vote for candidates that support neither the founding fathers, or the two most important documents in our history, but are usually AGAINST them, and have their own voting records to prove it. One of the foremost of these scoundrels "McCAIN") you voted for to be president?
Are you not holding the school systems to a higher standard than you yourself, are willing to rise to? Isn't that a little hypocritical?
Perhaps due to the protests that would rise from the far left, the school system is doing what your doing. Teaching the lessor of two evils, and COMPROMISING, our history away, much the same way you are voting our freedoms away. A little at a time. Can't have it both ways. At least not for very long anyway.

Why don't you vote, the way you want the teachers to teach?

ANYONE WHOM WILL TRADE LIBERTY, AND FREEDOM FOR A LITTLE SECURITY, DESERVES NEITHER.     BENJAMIN FRANKLIN

[billy_56081]

Dee how many times did you vote for Bush? You are sounding like a broken record.


I have to say I agree with you though in that the history of the Constitution and Bill of Rights is our most important historical document. But crying about it will do no good. Action speaks louder than words and until there is a VIABLE candidate put forward all this talkis a fart in the wind.

[MGMorden]

There is a bit too much material for one class, but honestly - just split it into two classes.  That's what they did when I was in college.  The first US History class covered from the start of the revolution up through the Spanish American war, and the second class covered from that point up until modern times. 

Just do the second half in the 12th grade instead - most schools don't seem to have a history requirement at that point anyways (IIRC, the only classes a senior really NEEDED when I got to that point was a Math and an English - other than that you just had to fill your schedule) so just add one then.

[MGMorden]

They have left most of the truth out of history all along. I have yet to understand how a school system can require students to have two algebra classes to graduate, and most of them can't make change.

Because they're bad at math in general.  Algebra is a way of thinking - and Algebra makes things like making change a lot easier once you understand it.  Too many people think Algebra is that useless "math with letters in it".  I'll admit that having not gone into engineering, I haven't used much Trig or Calculus since I graduated, but Algebra is nearly an everyday thing - even if most people don't think about it when they do it.  Heck almost all word problems devolve into Algebra.

[Heather]

Hmmm...this is awful.  The constitution and Bill of Rights should be taught at home and school at every grade level.  The Chinese seem able to teach their kids their entire history in school, and their history is a lot longer than ours.  I don't think it is a matter of not being able to teach it in a timely manner, rather leave out "negative" parts of  our history.  Not to mention how easily a population could be controlled if they had no knowledge of their rights, or no precedent of government intolerance and the power of the people to make a nation free.

Heather

[Empty Quiver]

Wow, how about they start the day with USA Today, or maybe a TIVO of Entertainment Tonight and really take some time for recent history.

Sounds to me that Glen Beck, the Tea Party's agenda and other originalists, are starting to worry the indoctrination crowd. The sooner those crazies are minimized the better, I suppose.

[Dances with Geoducks]

For us 1/2 century or better folks, we have watched them change history right before our eyes.
What my grand kids show me, isnt what we learned at all.

[gstewart44]

two years ago my nephew came to me and told me his history teacher was telling his class the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee an individuals right to have a firearm.....that it was meant for the formation of our National Guard.      I don't have to tell you how ballistic I went when I heard this.   

first I told my nephew to read the entire Bill of Rights, and tell me if the remainder of the Amendments applied to Individuals or a collective group of people under control of the government.  He was pleasantly enlightened.   

Next I fired off a letter to the School's prinicpal and the county school superintendant about this teacher trying to brainwash his class.    My nephew said he never brought up the 2nd amendment again and the next year he transferred to another school. 

[Dances with Geoducks]

two years ago my nephew came to me and told me his history teacher was telling his class the 2nd Amendment does not guarantee an individuals right to have a firearm.....that it was meant for the formation of our National Guard.   

Have you Nephew to ask his history teacher, if the 2nd was ratified in 1788, and the National Guard was formed in 1906
Did the fore fathers have a time machine?

[Dee]

The problems you guys are having with the 2nd Amendment, is the fact that you guys vote for the likes of John McCain for president claiming to be voting against folks like Obama. McCain has voted over 71% of the time against your 2nd Amendment Rights for over 30 years.

What is even sadder is, that you send your dues and contributions to the NRA, but vote for the McCains of this country. All your doing is providing job security for both the NRA, and the McCains of the government, and your furnishing both the money. If it weren't so sadly self destructive to the country, it would be hysterically funny.

Now YOUR indignant that the school systems are distorting, or not teaching history using facts, but what your doing is just as contradictory as what your complaining about.
Now "You" are trying to hold the school system accountable, to a standard you refuse to hold yourselves to.
This type of illogical logic, is exactly why I dropped out of the NRA, and the Republican Party. I will not be part of the problem, but instead became Independent in my voting and support of candidates.
You may not like it, and you may not agree with it. But you are in a never ending game of musical chairs, and you don't have a chair when the music stops. You are the one left standing, and are out of the game, and can't even grasp the concept.


BENJAMIN FRANKLIN WARNED ABOUT COMPROMISING FREEDOM FOR SECURITY.

[Yankee1]

I agree with Heather. This is all about controlling the minds of the children in order to make propagandizing them easier. If they do not know about the Constitution or Bill of Rights it becomes easier to fill their minds with baloney. The Constitution seems to get in their way. So they will attempt to eliminate it. If they eliminate it they can create their own little fairy tale where what they want you to believe is all you can learn. Fabian Socialists at work.

[powderman]

YEP. Heather pretty well pegged it. Mind control, thats what it's all about. POWDERMAN.