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.30/06 and 125 gr. on Deer?
« on: October 29, 2003, 05:50:39 AM »
Has anyone used factory or reloaded ammo for the .30/06 with 125 gr. bullet weight? How does it perform on deer sized game? Also, are the pressures enough with the factory ammo to cycle the action of a semi auto?

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.30/06 and 125 gr. on Deer?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2003, 06:36:54 AM »
Why would you want to use a 125gr. in the '06?
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.30/06 and 125 gr. on Deer?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2003, 11:18:30 AM »
A few reasons...

I really like to go to the range all year and shoot frequently. I would like a "lighter load" that I can shoot for longer periods. Also, I would like a round I can hunt with too...what better one than the one I've practicing with all year. Lastly, I live and hunt in S. Florida...have you heard of what they nickname deer here? Dogs with antlers. A full .30/06 load with 150 gr. bullet really isn't necessary, I think. In some cases, it ruins a lot of meat.

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If you think the 150's ruin meat?????
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2003, 01:09:06 PM »
"A full .30/06 load with 150 gr. bullet really isn't necessary, I think. In some cases, it ruins a lot of meat."

The 125's are varmint bullets and will REALLY damage a lot of meat on those little Florida deer.  I would not use them on any deer that I expected to eat.  Use them for practice if you want but I'd suggest you hunt with 180 gr Remington Core Loc RNs or Winchester 180 gr Power Point RNs.   Won't damage that much meat.  You might want to consider reloading also, then you can taylor the load for both practice and hunting.

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.30/06 and 125 gr. on Deer?
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2003, 01:23:12 PM »
There are some ~125grain 30 cal big game bullets.  Remington loads these in the 7.62x39 and there are others for the 30-30.  
Makes sense to me for the mild recoil and little bitty deer.  The reason I asked was that some people think that the extra velocity that you can get makes the 125's a flatter shooting harder hitting round.  Your reasons sound practical.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2003, 02:02:14 PM »
I plan to use the 125 gr Remingotn bullet out of my 300 Whisper pistol this year.  MV is about 2000 fps.  My tests on gallon milk jugs filled with water tell me it should work.  Other bullets I've tried don't expand well at this low velocity.  I'd suggest you light load a 150 gr 30/30 RN bullet in your 30/06 and you'd be better off than the 125 gr.
Try faster burning powders like H4895.
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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2003, 03:26:06 PM »
hey i have been experimenting with the 125 grn in a 30-06 for a couple years now. everybody whines that the 125 is too small for deer. well i hunted deer for about 10 yrs with a .243 and 100 grain bullets. probably flattened about 20 or so of them and never had any reason to doubt its power. i first started out useing the 130 spire pt hornady. it is a short squatty bullet, very uninspireing to look at. it werked well as far as accuracy, killed one or two deer with it , both lung or heart shots. as far as damge to the deer, it looked about like any other bullet. probably a quarter size exit hole and massive blood loss both internally and externally. however as you can imagine the ballistic coefficent of short squatty bullets is pretty bad. in fact when pushed fast as it would go{prob around 3000 fps} it dropped much more at 300 yrds than my 6.5x55 with a 140 grn bullet going around 2600 fps. then i discovered the nosler 125 ballistic tip bullet. this bullet is much longer, more tapered, a boatail and has i assume a better bc. they improved the accuracy in my ruger no. 1 by enough to definitely make me take notice. they are pricey at about 13 bucks for 50. i killed one deer with them last fall at about 225 yds. classic lung shot, broadside, destroyed lungs and deer went about 25 yds and croaked. as off yet i havent shot it at long range to see what the drop is like but plan to do some tests this fall and to use it again as my hunting bullet. let us hear what you find out with your 125 loads!

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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2003, 03:44:26 PM »
It should be noted that the Remington 125gr spire pt. ( the one used in factory 7.62 x 39 ) is actually .310 in diameter and not .308 . You may want to check out another thread, ".311 bullet in .308" in this forum.

That bullet and the ones for the 3030 are designed to perform (expand properly) at lower velocities than that of an '06. By using flat nosed 3030 bullets you would also be sacrificing some ballistic performance. There is a big difference between a 110gr .243 bullet and a 110gr. 30 cal bullet.

I hunt 90 lb Blacktails and 1000+ lb moose. As far as 30 cal goes I use 180's for everything. With a decent scope you should be able to remember and adjust scope settings between plinking ammo and hunting stuff.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2003, 05:06:16 PM »
There are at least two different schools of thought on this subject that I have heard....less than 2500 fps with Heavy bullets, more shock but less meat damage.  With fast bullets, if you just 'knick' a bone you will lose a lot of meat.  I think, the lightest 'I' would use would be 150's, loaded down to medium 308 Winchester velocity.  Lately, I have been using Speer 180 gr. Grand-Slams and Mag-Tips.  The Mag-Tips are a little cheaper, and I dont see much difference, except the GrandSlam that I took from an Elk WAS a perfect mushroom and You can still read GS on the base of the bullet.  Both bullets have a slightly blunt lead nose.
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try the nosler ballistic tip
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2003, 05:14:53 PM »
I have used it in my encore 24" bbl over 748 for several years, have taken mulies and whitetails doesn't seem to have any less effect that a heavier bullet, opens nicely drops effectively, the only wasted meat is on my shoulders from a pulled shot or a bad twist of the knife. even here in Az where everyone brags about a long shot( no trees in the way) I would expect more interest in the lighter bullet but the trend leans to the heavier bullet. go figure.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2003, 05:27:51 PM »
hey guys! the 130,s i was useing were definitely .308 dia, they worked well but the accuracy was not as good as the noslers by far. also there are two trains of thought on the heavy bullet theory also. i have seen and heard of 180,s that were too heavily constructed not expanding on neck and rib shots on small deer where they did not encounter enough resistance to cuase them to expand. i would have to agree with some of the other posters that the 150 is prob the best all around deer bullet ever made for the o6 with the 180 ruleing for everything else bigger. im not sure but ill bet a guy can get those 150 rn in bulk maybe cheaper than everything else for reloading and they do make a good deer bullet at moderate ranges.

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.30/06 and 125 gr. on Deer?
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2003, 01:04:24 AM »
BRL,

I use 125 Nosler BT's in 308. I'm using a Savage 99 and at a hundred yds I easily get 1 in groups. Chrno'd at 3100+ fps. I just like the lighter bullet, less felt recoil... Which means more shooting fun.

In a war, firepower is everything. In the deer woods, shot placement is the key.

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.30/06 and 125 gr. on Deer?
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2003, 01:29:34 AM »
I used the 125 gr 30-06 Remington loads last year out of my Encore pistol.  I liked the lighter recoil, and it's still got plenty of knockdown power based on the ballistic tables.

I'll let you know when I  hit something with it.  :wink:

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125 30-06
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2003, 01:30:59 AM »
hey urika! what powder are you useing and bout how much of it? just curious.

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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2003, 03:07:10 AM »
Gentlemen, thanks for your help...great posts. I think I'm going to try Remington's factory 125 gr. first as I don't reload for my rifles yet. Also, I've heard people complain about finding the right load that functions well in a semi-auto...which mine is...Rem 7400. I'll post again with some feedback.

Thanks again!
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2003, 01:57:56 PM »
hillbill,

I'm using 50.0 gr. of W748 in rem and win cases ignited by a CCI large rifle primers. I'm using Noslers 5th edition as a guide. The past two deer seasons I've had one shot kills on bucks using this load. I'm also working up a new load for my 280 rem using 120gr nosler ballistic tips.

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« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2003, 05:45:05 PM »
urika! thanks for info. id have to check but seems im useing over 60 grn of acc 2700 to get same velocity. ill have to check out this w748 powder.

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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2003, 02:48:24 AM »
I loaded up some 130gr.bullets in 48 1/2 grs. 4895 for my New England 30-06 last night. Will try them in the next couple of weeks and try to post the results.

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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2003, 06:07:21 AM »
I've been using the Hornady 130grn Spire points in front of 52grns of IMR4064 in my 30.06 for about 6 years now and have killed more deer with that bullet than i can think of from close up out past 300yds.  I've yet to loose a deer with that bullet and the majority of them have been complete pass throughs and the deer never moved from where they were standing.  The few deer that have run didn't go 40yds and fell and the few bullets that i've recovered were ones that went through both shoulders and were lodged in the skin on the far side still in tact and a nice mushroom.  If i were going on a paid hunt after really big tough whitetails i would go to a heavier bullet but for here where a deer averages about 140/160 and a big deer hardly ever gets 200lbs the 130grn from a 30.06 kills like lighting.

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« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2003, 06:13:46 AM »
Great information and experiences...thanks everyone!
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« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2003, 12:58:40 PM »
Quote from: eroyd
It should be noted that the Remington 125gr spire pt. ( the one used in factory 7.62 x 39 ) is actually .310 in diameter and not .308 . You may want to check out another thread, ".311 bullet in .308" in this forum.


I just received 500 Remington 125 gr PSP bullets from Midway and they are .308", just measured them myself.
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