Is one enough .

[gstewart44]

gstewart44, yes I slugged the barrel and getting  .307 and .316 . It should be .303 and .312. I suppose it would do better with oversized cast bullets.

Mine was oversized as well.    Bought some .314 cast bullets a few years ago &  they are accurate.    Standard .311 bullets are all over the place in my barrel.

[SharonAnne]

back to the 4 guns.

#1 AR15 It will take anything where I live.

#2 ParaOrdnance P14-45  .45acp and 15 rounds in a mag. nuff said

#3 Ruger 22/45/ I chose to put on an accessory rib that has iron sights and also has a 'picatinny' type rail with a good 1x battery-less dot sight.

#4 Remington 870/12ga.  questions?

all of this is of course contingent upon you having sufficient spare parts (fitted), specialized gunsmithing tools as needed, proper waterproof storage for sensitive ammunition (.22lr and 12ga. especially).
Just grabbing my web gear and AR I have a rifle, pistol and 255rds of ammo, 210 of 5.56 and 45 of .45acp.

While there is a touch of romance in grabbing your rifle and BOB and being the rugged individual, it just does not work. We all need others. No one is truly independent. Before you go thinking you are I challenge you to MAKE an ax head, or a knife, let alone a bolt action or semi auto rifle.  Now, try making antibiotics!

Choose your firearms wisely. Even more important, choose where you live more wisely. Because, choosing to bug out when the SHTF, it is way past being too late.

[Daman]

Yep. One rifle and one pistol. If the shtf I will be headed to my camp on the river. Plenty of fish and game. I have all the camping essentials and reloading gear I could need in a lifetime if used prudently.

30-30 single shot for game
357 revolver for people

If allowed to stay at the camp and not driven off. If I had to strike out on foot. I would forget the 30-30 and get a single shot 22 and a couple good quality knives and 3 or 4 bricks of ammo in my pack.

Daman

[MarkNJ]

I finally got a Rossi in 308 but not one of the flash new 'Wizards'. This is a used Pomba with only 150 rounds through it. It didn't shoot with any consistancy so I worked the action to fix this then cut it back to the legal minimum lengh of 30 inches, well actually 30 and a half inches. The barrel is 16 and a half inches long and the stock is the lengh of a 'youth' model. It still weighs just over 6 pounds but is very handy to carry. Hope to get out soon to put it across the chrony, hoping for 2500 fps with factory 150 grain ammo.
A compact scope or good open sights will come next. If it lives up to expectations then a suppressor will follow.

I also picked up a new Rossi Pomba in 38/357 which I'll work on later

cheers

[SwampThing762]

My four are

Glock 21 45 ACP as pdw
Remington 742 30-06 for bg hunting
Mossberg 500 field/deer combo 12 gauge for hunting/defense
Stevens single shot for sg hunting (grandfather's gun fed my father and the family in 1930s and 1940s)

[Lloyd Smale]

an ar15 would take care of any animal up here either two legged or four
a 45acp for the same reason in a pinch and would be with me 24 hours a day.
a 22 pistol and rifle. brand and action wouldnt really matter.
a 3030 wouldnt be a bad choise to if a guy didnt have enough ammo stashed as you can find ammo anywhere for them but i have enough ammo for about every gun i have so it wouldnt be a consern to me but if an ar wasnt available it would probably be my choise.
a 44 mag pistol would be another option. For me just because i dont want to live if i dont have at least one 44 mag to play with.
a 9mm or a .40 could be substitued for the 45acp but the 45 just does better at killing anything over a 100 lbs.

[teamnelson]

The idea that a group of people could defend a homestead from all comers indefinitely is just as romantic as the idea that you can make it alone. Survival will most likely require you to be able to do both. If you've never had you patrol base overran then it's probably easy to create a false sense of security inside your fort apache, but if you do your homework, even the strongest positions are just one in a series of fallback positions. Of course some folks will not be able to survive outside a fort, and that's a valid point. Don't let your personal limitations cloud your judgment regarding the plans of others.

[SHOOTALL]

I agree unless you live out of range of a big concentration of people you would be over run . Range would depend on how much gas , food and water the attackers had . Add the idea that if they can't get your food and water they will die it would make for some interesting times. If the crisis is short term you might be in trouble later . You start killing folks who are starving and looking for food you may not be able to defend yourself when relief comes and things get back to normal. You may find yourself being the punished .

[teamnelson]

I was speculating with a friend today, i wonder how many stockpiles of guns, ammo, food & water were flooded in TN, or destroyed in OK. I think about the biggest threat here which is tsunami and how I couldn't take but maybe 1 gun per person as we flee to gain high ground, and in the social collapse afterwards, my stockpile at home might be under water or the remains of my house. Many may have to walk to join a community, and have to leave all sorts of great valuable things behind.

[SHOOTALL]

good points

[Lloyd Smale]

I dont think anyone here really thinks he could hold off an organized attack no matter how many guns and how much ammo you had. I think most here including myself do believe that if crap did hit the fan you should be prepared to fend off at least the locals who are out of food from taking yours and maybe a couple thugs trying to do the same. Also another thing to keep in mind is that if s### really did hit that guns and ammo are going to be one of the best barter material you can own. I read once that if crap really did hit that 22 shells would be the new currency.

The idea that a group of people could defend a homestead from all comers indefinitely is just as romantic as the idea that you can make it alone. Survival will most likely require you to be able to do both. If you've never had you patrol base overran then it's probably easy to create a false sense of security inside your fort apache, but if you do your homework, even the strongest positions are just one in a series of fallback positions. Of course some folks will not be able to survive outside a fort, and that's a valid point. Don't let your personal limitations cloud your judgment regarding the plans of others.

[don heath]

And the greatest danger comes from your own military. If the comander is good, the local military base becomes the focal point of community. If he is bad, you have a rouge element with heavy weapons who want what you have, are well trained, have night vision kit etc.

I have seen well led malitia stand up to tanks operated by poorly led and demotivated regular cuban troops in Africa, but have never seen even regular troops stand up before  1st world armour and heavy artilery.   

[Spirithawk]

Well, you can talk all kinds of guns but fact is a simple .22 rifle has accounted for more game than any other rifle. Truth be told that includes deer as well. Plus it's easy to carry hundreds of rounds. If I were lucky enough to choose 4 guns and had a way to carry them all....lets see?

A Ruger Blackhawk .357 mag
my Mossberg 835 3 1/2 mag 12 ga.
my Optima Pro .50.....because I can make my own powder and bullets and would only have to carry the 209 primers and they take up little space.
my son's new Ruger SR22 because it handles 30 round clips and will flat spit them out. Plus it's very accurate. Has laser sights, iron sights and iluminated scope plus a tactical light and bipod. Andddd it's a .22!

With those guns I could handle anything I came accross.

If the crap hit the fan though to heck with trying to defend the homeplace. As stated, no matter what you have....they have better! Nope, this old Tsalagi Aniykituhwagi Aniyuhnwiya ( Cherokee   ) is grabbing a couple guns ( pistol & rifle )  and reverting to the ways of my ancestors. I can make my own bow, string, arrows and I can nap the points plus a flint knife. I'd also make a blow gun or two. My ancestors hunted with them frequently. To do that I need only step out my door and I've thousands of wooded acres chucked full of limestone caves to get lost in. I'm also a Vietnam Vet and like the line in the song "Copperhead Rd. " I learned a thing or two from Charlie don'tcha know! I'm hitting the woods and the Creator have mercy on anyone that comes looking thats not family or friend!
 

[grizz]

My encore in 444 marlin pistol bbl, 12 gauge rifle bbl, 7 rem mag rifle bbl.. Now if that = 1 gun i still got 3 more..
next ruger superblack hawk 44mag
ruger single 6 convertable 22lr,22mag
custom 6.5x300 weatherby..

[ButlerFord45]

My list as well, just a little more barrel on the 870.  Can do anything with this list but it leaves out all the FUN stuff. 

Four guns.

22 Lr handgun.  (Are you good with a hand gun?)  If not a 22 rifle.
A 12ga shotgun.  Pref a pump 18 to 20" (meat gun.  Birds, small game, as well as biggame)
308 or 30-06 bolt rifle. Big game and presicion
and a wonder gun.  223 or 7.62X39 (ranch protection)