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Offline dave hall

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« on: November 14, 2003, 05:26:33 PM »
a friend ED wants to hunt elk.WITH HIS 45-70 IN A #1-S.HE WANTS TO KNOW WANT BULLET ,AND WHAT LOAD TO USE.WANT WOULD BE A MAX. RANGE FOR THE 45-70 ON ELK. USING THE LOAD YOU RECOMMENDED  :?
NEF Handi SB2  .45-120 Sharps.
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2003, 02:55:29 AM »
One of the guys I hunt ELK with almost every year hunts with a marlin 45/70. the load he uses,lately is the 405 remington bullets over 43 grains of imr 4198 (work up slowly its safe in his rifle it may be differant in yours)
he gets over 1750fps
 he sights in 3.5" high at 100 yards and has a 170 yard zero, the rifle kills well out to just over 200 yards,if the single ELK he dropped at that range is proof, but only a single ELK has been shot at over 150 yards, most  (hes killed 6 more that Im aware of)are shot at under 150 yards in the heavy timber where the ELK tend to stay holed up durring the day.
my late hunting partner used a 358 BLR, neither of these guys had trouble filling tags, some HUNTING SKILL, not long range snipeing is necessary but since even archery can kill elk when limited to less than about 1/5 that range I doubt youll have problems
I carry a 340weatherby most years but in over 33 years of ELK hunting I can only remember a few ELK shot by ANYONE in our ELK camp at over 250 yards simply because we hunt the timbered slopes  as a 2 man team  or two 2 man teams working togeather  90% of the time, with one to two guys blocking likely exit routes out of a canyon and one or two guys still hunting the ELK once the herd is located. this of course only works well if access to the canyons is limited, and your very familiar with the habits of the ELK in the area your hunting

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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2003, 01:33:04 PM »
I have used the Remington 405 JSP with 53 gr. 3031 for about 1,800 fps in my No. 1, and 58 gr. 3031 for about 2,000 fps.  I have had it 200 fps higher, but it was not pleasant to shoot.  At all!  So I backed it down.  The 58 gr. load shot through a small bull last year.  Never recovered the slug, but it left plenty of hole.  I don't think you can hurt a No. 1 with the .45-70 and reasonable powders.

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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2003, 04:59:02 PM »
One load is all you need. 300 grain barnes X atop IMR 4198 at 50.7 grains. yeilds 2105 adv. in a 22' barrel. I have not shot an elk with it but there have been 3 axis and a Nilgai that have found out the hard way!!! :twisted:

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2003, 12:54:29 PM »
I know of some 45-70 single shot folks that swear by the Speer 300gr hollow point. Their Brownings seem to prefer the lighter bullets and in those actions you can really stoke them. In this situation case capacity apparently is more the governing factor than pressure. Can't remember the charge but seating depth is minimal. Clean kills on moose out to 250 meters without aiming off the animal.

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Re: 45-70on elk
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2003, 07:12:31 AM »
dave hall

Your friend's Ruger #1 will handle the loads I am about to discuss so let's ensure (other readers) that you realize that fact.  I use a converted Siameze Mauser and a friend has one of the older #1s with long throats and we use the same loads.  Both rifles have 24" barrels.  If you can seat a Speer 400 gr bullet out to the bottom canelure then your throat is long and you will find these loads useful.  If you have the shorter throat you can have it throated or drop 5 gr of powder and work up to a slightly compressed load.

The bullet of choice is the Barnes Original 400 gr semi spitzer.  They used to make them with two jacket thickness and we use the thicker one.  As to powder, it is difficult to get enough medium burning powder in the case before you run out of capacity.  We have found RL 7 to be a perfect powder for this application in terms of 100% loading density and velocity produced.  I have used R-P, W-W and FC brass and haven't found any differentce.  Cases are fire formed and the neck sized.  A .455 expander is used.  Primers are WLRs.  Bullets are seated to OAL of 2.92" which is just off the lands of both rifles.  A Lee Factory crimper is used to apply a crimp and as there is no canelure groove on the bullet it does a good job.  Bullets will not become unseated from recoil when in the magazine.  Of course with the #1 that is not a consideration.

In working up loads; starting at 60 gr gave us 2190 fps and a 100% (slightly compressed) load of 64 gr gave 2310 fps.  I have settled on 63 gr which gives 100% loading density with no compression in fireformed FC cases.  Velocity is 2270 fps.  Accuracy is excellent; about 1.5 MOA.  However, recoil is stout.  This is not an enjoyable load to shoot off the bench.  From hunting positions it is quite manageable.  I have a Leupold 2.5X compact on mine which has very generous eye relief.  The scope is mounted correctly so I do not hold my head back on the stock.  Thus during recoil my head rides back with the rifle during recoil and the scope does even come close to biting me.  My friend has a Leupold low end variable on his #1 and likes it.

Zeroed at 200 yards my rifle hits 2.2" high at 50, 3.6" high at 100, 2" high at 150, on at 200, 6" low at 250 and 14" low at 300.  All 5 of the elk killed with this load (we hunt rocky mountain elk in NE Oregon) have been under 150 yards but where we hunt a 300 yard shot is possible but most shots will be under 200 yards.  If I am hunting more open areas I use another rifle/cartridge.  With a range fider and knowing holdover the trajectory does not present a problem.  

This load is not for one of weak spirit or faint of heart.  Consider that a .416 Rigby pushes a 400 gr bullet at 2300 fps - that is the company you are in.

Larry Gibson