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Offline Couger

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The threads regarding .22's in a revolver, or the differences (preferences) between a rimfire rifle of handgun are informative .....

But has anyone identified a need to carry a Hi-Point in the kit or bug out/bug home vehicle?

Or perhaps a Mech-Tech CCU (carbine conversion unit?) that uses a M1911 or Glock frame (and accompanying magazine of pistol ammo).

Or perhaps a Kel-Tech SU-16 ltwt folding rifle or similar pistol?

YES, I could or might be talking about a "truck gun" or defensive piece more than a foraging piece. 

I live in the West and sometimes distances are great, and our threats are different than if living in the concrete jungle called a "city."

In (SHTF) crisis where I got seperated from my vehicle and I had to walk home, or flee to somewhere ..... I'd want something bigger than a rimfire if I was trying to flee or avoid a mob or gangs.

What ideas do others have?  and want to share?   :)

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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2010, 10:46:39 AM »
i  used to keep a hi-point carbine 9mm  with red-dot scope
very effective at night with  this scope....quite accurate for  foraging too
fair  amount  of  power....bowling  pins at 100  yards  always fell

then my truck window  was  smashed  and  the crooks  now have a nice  night rifle

i always  carry a 357  hand gun    so  a scoped  357  handi  makes a lot of sense

an  old  beat up single shot shotgun  makes the most  sense
small shot  for snakes  or rabid/sick animals.....buck shot for sick people  [forget  the slugs]
only one  shot  but a big one......you still have your hand gun

and  most crooks wouldn't even  bother  to steel it if it looks bad enough
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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2010, 11:00:02 AM »
Having a pistol and a carbine in the same cartridge makes sense to have common ammo.

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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 11:38:12 AM »
I have a tiered plan of several guns. .357 Rossi for long gun, .357 revolver on my hip, and a .22 revolver somewhere else on my person. The rifle is handy, the 357 revolver is vital, but the .22 revolver is absolutely necessary. I have a couple sets of that plan. If lived in the west again, I'd have the long gun in my vic.

Plan Z is a 1911 with .45 and .22 slides; I often thought a Camp 45 or the CCU might be nice.
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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 12:09:43 PM »
  I like pistol cal carbines.  I think that they could fill a niche as a survival gun for a few reasons.  Obvious one being the  pistol/rifle on one ammo diet, that's huge.  While 9mm or 45 are both not even close to the effectiveness of a true center fire rifle, at aproporiate distances they are effective.  Another big advantage is that pistol ammo is often cheaper that rifle ammo, making it a good choise for stocking up on.  If you have a carbine that takes Uzi or Sten type magazines, you can put two of them into each pouch of a mag bag that's designed for AR or AK type magazines.  That translates into the ability to have a butt ton of ammo on hand if you want to.  I know that the 22 is the winner on that count over all, and that a plan that involves using up lots of ammo isn't sustainable; but it's an option so I mention it.

  A big factor that weighs in favor of pistol cartridge carbines is the ability to use suppressors.  If you live in a place that allows them, and you get one before the mythical Day of the Brown Fan, you may well still have it in the event that the fan should get browned.  Pistol calibers by and large work better with silencers than rifle rounds.  You can get subsonic velocity 9mm and 40 or 45 ammo off the shelf.  223 or 308 can be suppressed, but to be "Hollywood quiet" you need a round that moves slower than sound to avoid sonic crack.  Again, 22 is the king of silencer rounds, but a 9mm 147 grain hollow point just hits so much harder.  Pistol rounds have the best combination of power and suppressability.  The ability to pop off a few shots and not have too many people know where it's coming from could be the difference between making a getaway and being overwhelmed by superior numbers.  Shoot and scoot, what the angry mobs don't hear won't draw them to you.

 

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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 12:42:12 PM »
Couple different set ups I have or am working on.

  Henry lever 22 mag  holds 11 in the tube   with   keltec 22mag pistal holds 30 in the mag plus an extra mag

 option b  high point 9mm carbine with 9mm hand gun. not sure which
 
Ive got the henry long gun still waiting on the keltec
I dont care what gun Im using as long as Im hunting

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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 01:27:08 PM »
I've been toying with getting a Hi-Point in either 9mm or 40. I load for either. But, what I was thinking of, was a carbine that was light enough, and not as much noise, as my AR. Basically for my wife. My AR is a 20'' H.B. with a scope. Not a light firearm to hold up for a long time. And, I've seen a Hi-Point tricked out with a picatinney rail and red dot sight that looked real good. gypsyman
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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 02:17:37 PM »
If I'm making my last stand, I want the reassuring feel of wood and steel in my hands ... y'all can have yer tupperware. Make mine a lever!  ;D
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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 02:29:33 PM »
If I'm making my last stand, I want the reassuring feel of wood and steel in my hands ... y'all can have yer tupperware. Make mine a lever!  ;D

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Re: Anyone see a survival need for a short carbine in a CF pistol cartridge?
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2010, 01:34:08 AM »
 I like the H&R single shots. A short barrel one chambered in 357 Max would be useful as a survival rifle since you could fire quiet, lightly loaded 38 wadcutters on up to Max using rifle bullets with the muzzle energy of a 30-30 if need be.

 Here's one of mine set up with 18" .223 barrel and Williams peep (I also have 45-70, 30-30, 12 gage and 357 Max barrels for it). I shaved down the original Monte Carlo pistol grip stock into something a little smaller on this one; clunky scope & stock setups take the 'handy' right out of these rifles IMO...

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