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30/30 bolt action
« on: January 06, 2010, 04:59:13 AM »
Bolt Action 30/30 Rebuild
One of very few bolt action 30/30 rifles ever produced was the Savage M340. Also sold as the Stevens M325, Springfield 840 and a few other names it was introduced in 1947 and discontinued in 1985.  In its’ day it was the cheapest centerfire repeating rifle  available, and that was about its’ only virtue and reason for existence.
 My 1954 Shooter’s Bible lists the savage 340 at $48.75 while a Winchester M94 sold for $69.00 and a Savage M99 brought $109.00.
A 1986 catalog lists the 340 at $236.00, actually a bit more than the Winchester M94AE at $234.95. With that price increase the bargain basement M340 was no longer such a bargain, and with the Winchester now “scopeable” there was little market for the 340.
  I recently acquired one of the Stevens 325C rifles as a project gun. I had always thought there was something odd and ugly about that rifle’s proportions. Something odd about the lines of the pistol grip and something ugly about the flat sided depth of the stock extending down to the bottom of the three shot single column magazine.
                    Before

 

My notion was to cut the bottom of the stock at the action area down to the bottom of the finger slots for the magazine. To do so required straightening the “floorplate” and shortening the trigger.             Before
 

With a cutoff wheel on the Dremel tool I cut approximately 1/4” out of the trigger and brazed it back together.               After
 

I then cut the lower line of the stock down to the bottom of the trigger housing, sanded, stained and finished the stock. The buttplate  has a chip out of one side and perhaps I will at some point replace it with a recoil pad but for now I left it as is.
                 After.
 

It now weighs in at 6 ¼ pounds bare, 6 ¾ pounds complete with the old Weaver J-2.5 scope, a light, cheap scope of the same vintage and seemingly “fitting” to the old rifle.
 For load development work however, I mounted a Nikon 3-9X40 to minimize aiming error. Below are some loads I have tried out. It was a windy day so I limited shooting to 50 yards. My first load was a winner, 34.0 grains of RL-15, a great powder for the 30/30,  with the 170 grain Remington corlokt roundnose bullet chronographed 2254 fps with 5 shots in 0.63” at 50 yards.
 Stepping up to 35 grains RL-15 produced 2295 fps and a group of 1.15” for 5 shots.
36 grains of RL-15 is a HOT load, 2390 fps and a group of 1.41”. I only fired 3 shots and two of them failed to extract. I had a 12” length of ¼” steel rod and when dropped down from the muzzle just one whack knocked out the fired case, obviously not real tightly stuck. This rifle’s extractor is the flimsiest little bit of stamped steel I’ve ever seen. At any rate I do not recommend this load, it is just a bit too much.
Still with the 170 grain Remingtons I also tried W-748, another good 30/30 powder.
35 grains gave me 2141 fps and a 50 yard five shot group of 1.18”.
36.0 grains of H-414 showed only 2057 fps but a still respectable group of 1.08”.
The second best group of the day was with Hornady 180 grain roundnoses over 34 grains of  H-414 at only 0.89” but velocity was down to 1904 fps.
 I also tried some 130 grain Speer flat points over 30 grains or RL-7 for 2502 fps. My old Savage 219 singleshot does well with that load and gets close to 2600 fps from its longer barrel but the bolt gun for some reason gave me a vertical string measuring 2.62” for only three shots at 50 yards.
When I get a day not too windy to shoot and not too cold to enjoy it I will try a few loads at 100 yards but so far I think it will be hard to beat the 34 grains of RL-15. I have some Speer 170 grain flat points with a ballistic coefficient of .304 that will be a good hunting bullet, although there is nothing wrong with the Remington corelokt bullets either.
  I never really wanted a bolt action 30/30, I’ve been pleased with the old 219 singleshot. I got this rifle strictly as a project to see what I could make of it and after a bit more shooting I will have that resolved and it will probably be making an appearance on Gunbroker. It’s an interesting rifle and it works OK, it just isn’t for me.
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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2010, 05:02:43 AM »
Lost my photos from the above post. So here is the before and after. Click on photos to enlarge.
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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 06:36:34 AM »
Nice rifle!  I had one and wish I hadn't sold it.  It shot very well.

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 08:02:04 AM »
Nice old rifles, I have one in 22 Hornet and have a barrel finished for it to make it a 17 Hornet.  Mine has the pressed in checkering, so it probably would not cut down too well.  Larry
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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2010, 10:01:43 AM »
I would hate to have to drag out of the woods all the deer that my uncle and his two sons have shot with their old Savage 340 in 30-30 Win. It would keep me busy for the rest of my life. With the right loads it was very accurate.

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2010, 10:57:57 AM »
I have a friend that has hunted most of his life with a savage bolt action 30-30. He has even killed moose with his. I would buy one but never had the money when I found a nice example.  ;D Story of my life.

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2010, 12:16:32 PM »
An odd thing I noticed when testing loads was that different loads shot to very different points of impact even at only 50 yards. And not just in the vertical plane as might be expected but a one grain increase in the powder charge with the same bullet would move the group several inches left or right. I have never seen this with any rifle I've ever developed loads for in the past and have to wonder if that forward barrel band may have something to do with it.   ???
 Several people have voiced the opinion that you seldom see one for sale because people who have them are inclined to keep them, However I just counted 14 of them on Gunbroker today, all 30/30 Savage or Stevens brand. You don't find many in .22 Hornet or .222 Rem. They are easily re-barreled but the magazines for Hornet or .222 are more scarce than the rifles and they are thin flimsy sheet metal, easily damaged and often lost.
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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2010, 11:20:00 AM »
i found a revelation model 225, which is a store brand 340, at a gun show last year in .222. i don't know why, but i had to have it. has really nice wood, in my opinion, and the .222 is a cool caliber. i can admit its not as graceful looking as some other bolt actions, but something drew me to it. i like what you did with the stock, and the vintage scope is cool.
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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2010, 11:24:00 AM »
I have a Stevens 325b. Sure is the ugliest of the lot, but fun to shoot and nice iron sights. My dad killed many deer with it back in the day. I can hit golf balls at 100 yards and its never been scoped.

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2010, 02:52:49 PM »
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An odd thing I noticed when testing loads was that different loads shot to very different points of impact even at only 50 yards. And not just in the vertical plane as might be expected but a one grain increase in the powder charge with the same bullet would move the group several inches left or right. I have never seen this with any rifle I've ever developed loads for in the past and have to wonder if that forward barrel band may have something to do with it.

Your experience with this mirrors mine with two such rifles EXACTLY

I think it has more to do with the asymmetrical bolt locking as pressure increases

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2010, 11:08:04 AM »
I've got one of these rifles too and have definitely found the stock oddly shaped :).  They make aftermarket stocks for them but truthfully givne that the rifle was only $100, it's hard for me to justify putting that much or more into a replacement stock - even if they one that was on mine was beat all to heck and back.  Still, stripping off the tiny amount of finish that WAS left on it :), sanding it down and filling the misdrilled swivel stud holes, then refinishing, has made mine look pretty nice.  Definitely still has a lot of "character" as my brother calls it, but it looks worlds better than the shape it was in when I bought it :).

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 03:54:56 AM »

Hey Coyote Joe,

    You did a great job on that stock.   Can you tell us please how you cut off the pistol grip, to get the straight line for the underside of the buttstock?

     Did you use a bandsaw, a table saw,  a planer, or what?   

Thanks, Mannyrock


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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2010, 04:11:39 AM »
I've got one of those sitting in the safe.
Bubba decide to do some engraving on the stock. >:(
My plans are to try and lightly sand out the chicken scrathing. ???
None of it's real deep, so I'm thinking it might sand off.
Might be more trouble than it's worth though.
I haven't shot it yet to see how it performs.
That might motivate me one direction or the other. :D
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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2010, 01:22:07 PM »
I picked up a 325C Stevens in .30-30 about a year ago.  Very accurate.  Shoots 170 gr Noslers and 150 gr corelokts in the same group at 75 years.  This is with a peep sight - not drilled for a scope.  Has a 20" barrel.  I like it.  ;D

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Re: 30/30 bolt action
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2010, 02:10:34 PM »
I have a savage 340C that my mother bought as a first wedding anniversary gift for my father in 1970.  My father has taken many many deer with it and a plethora of groundhogs at quite long distances.  All with an old 4X scope on it too.  When I turned 12 my father gave it to me as my personal deer rifle.  Since then I have taken many many deer with it just as he had in the past.  I love this rifle and would not trade it for any other in the world.