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Well, what do you think. Will the knuckleheads  blow it again? I think so. Any progress that has been made on health care has been made by the public rather than the republicans. The republican leadership appears to be a bunch of incompetent boobs drifting through life without a cause.
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The republican leadership appears to be a bunch of incompetent boobs drifting through life without a cause.

Only Appears to be  :D I'd go a little further with that statement
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gosh I miss Newt
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It won't matter what level of performance the Republicans display at the meeting, they are going to be portrayed as being obstructionists by the Obamedia.  I believe the Obamanation will try to dominate and belittle the Republicans and if he succeeds, they deserve what they get.

The Republicans have a fantastic opportunity to make their arguments and they'd better get it right and be forceful in doing it.  The worst thing they could do would be to appear to be deferential to the...uhummm--president.
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I damn sure don't miss Newt. He was as big a liar and hypocrite as any there. For the life of me, I can't figure out why Fox, or anyone else cares what he thinks about anything. Oh yeah! Fox is Republican.
When Clinton was diddling with Monica, Newt was calling down the wrath of God, while all the while, NEWT had a mistress on the side himself. That's why "Mr. Newt" as Rush like to call him, AIN'T MR. NEWT, NO MORE.
Newt went to New York State, and endorsed the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, and what did she do when she got behind in the polls, and the Independent pulled ahead her. SHE ENDORESE THE DEMOCRAT.
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gosh I miss Newt




I Don't!



During his 16 years in Congress, Gingrich has inveighed vociferously against the evils of the New Deal/Great Society welfare state - while voting for every kind of welfare program imaginable: for the elderly, children, the "homeless," businessmen, farmers, bankers, left-wing broadcasters, etc. Those votes include: March 21, 1991 - $40 billion to begin the unconstitutional bailout of failed savings and loan institutions; June 26, 1991 - $52.6 billion for agriculture program subsidies, and food stamps; October 5, 1992 - $66.5 billion for housing and community development; September 22, 1994 - $250.6 billion in appropriations for the Departments of Labor, HHS, and Education.

Budget-Busting Profligacy. A Balanced Budget Amendment forms the core of the first plan of Gingrich's "Contract with America." He has been calling for such a measure and condemning deficit spending ever since coming to Congress. In an early 1982 speech he called on Congress to reject further increases in the National Debt Limit. "Only by using the debt limit as a leverage point" he bravely declared, "can we force the changes which clearly the liberal leadership of this body wants to avoid." Trouble is, a few months earlier, on February 5, 1981, he had voted with those same "liberals" to raise the National Debt ceiling by another $49.1 billion to $985 billion. He has gone this same route many times since.



Foreign Aid. If there is anything more unpopular, unconstitutional, counterproductive, fiscally irresponsible, and immoral than welfare for domestic freeloaders, it is welfare for foreign freeloaders. But the "tight-fisted" Mr. Gingrich consistently votes to send U.S. tax dollars to kleptocrats and tyrants abroad: June 27, 1990 - $15.7 billion in foreign aid for fiscal 1991; June 20, 1991 -$12.4 billion for fiscal 1992 and $13 billion for fiscal 1993; June 25, 1992 - $13.8 billion for fiscal 1993; August 6, 1992 - $12.3 billion for the International Monetary Fund and $1.2 billion for the "republics" of the former Soviet Union; June 17, 1993; $ 13 billion for fiscal 1994; September 29, 1993 - $12.9 billion, including $2.5 billion to Russia; August 4, 1994 - $ 13.8 billion for foreign aid for fiscal 1995.


Newt's "green" votes include: May 16, 1979 - the Alaska Lands Bill, locking up 68 million aces as untouchable "wilderness," December l7, l987-$307milion for continuation of the fraudulent and unconstitutional Endangered Species Act, putting the "rights" of owls, bugs, rates, snakes and newts above those of people; March 28, 1990 - elevating the unconstitutional Environmental Protection Agency to Cabinet-level status; May 23, 1990 - the badly misnamed Clean Air bill, requiring radical cuts in industry and automobile emissions, adding tens of billions of dollars annually in new costs to our already stringent and costly air standards.

Federalizing Education. The Communist Manifesto calls for nationalizing education, while the U.S. Constitution, to the contrary, prohibits federal involvement in educational matters. These votes cause on to wonder which document's philosophy is guiding Newt Gingrich's education policy decisions: May 10, 1979 - for creation of the new Cabinet level Department of Education demanded by President Carter and the radical National Education Association; May 9, 1989 - $1.4 billion in federal aid for "applied technology education," the new federalese for vocational education; May 16, 1990 - $2.9 billion for Head Start and Follow Through programs for fiscal 1991, rising to $7.7 billion in 1994; July 20, 1990 - $ 1.I billion for a variety of education programs, none of which the federal government has authority to fund; May 12, 1994 - "such sums as may be necessary" for the $3.3 billion-per-year Head Start program and $2.6 billion for fiscal 1995 for three low-income and child abuse prevention programs.



On July 26, 1990 Gingrich voted with the majority in refusing to support a resolution by Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA) to expel Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA) for felony criminal offenses related to his homosexual activities. He actively supported the re-election of Rep. Steve Gunderson (R-WI), an open homosexual, and praises Gunderson's "courage" for being "gay" and Republican.

Nationalizing Law Enforcement. On October 22, 1991, Gingrich voted for an amendment to the federal crime bill offered by Rep. David McCurdy (D-OK) to establish a National Police Corps. Although he didn't vote for the $30-billion Clinton crime bill of 1994, he resurrected it and helped make passage possible. As Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY), one of Newt's cheerleaders, explained to Michael Kinsley on CNN's Crossfire, "If it wasn't for Newt Gingrich, you wouldn't have a crime bill."

NOPE I don't miss Newt.
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I admire Gingrich a lot. He is one of the few politicians that has actually done some good in the world.
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Newt ain't there now. I propose we watch what they are discussing in today's meeting and remember. I have been watching it on Fox for over an hour already and my disgust with all there is growing.

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Newt's a hypocrit, neocon, and NWO guy and always has been and always will be.

Looks like the GOPers will put up the model maker of the Obama's HC reform...That would be Romney of Mass, check out RomneyCare...likely with VP running mate Ms. Sarah Palin.

Now there's a 'lessor evil' ticket....

..TM7


Absolutely a hypocrite!......... For the life of me, I cannot understand how people, when presented with facts, still choose to ignore and praise someone like him :o
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It's nice to see that the process is going along disfunctionally, with republicans getting about half the speaking time as democrats. It also makes me wonder what they hope to achieve in a six hour meeting. When you get a room full of guys who are used to being wordy and don't work well together, what's the point? It's all for show.
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It is transparent.  If we aren't working, we get to see how things work or don't work.  A dictatorship would certainly get more done but no one wants that.  We do need to make changes in our health care/insurance system.

Questor, you are right in your observation about their wordiness.  You don't get elected if you aren't a talker.  Their achievement may be simply sitting down and actually listening to each other.  Anything positive that happens is going to involve compromise by both sides.

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I read this question and all that comes to mind is the old saying about when you argue with an idoit onlookers can tell the difference .
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Insanity - doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result every time.

This 'summit' has been the biggest waste of time and money.  The amount of garbage being spewed by the democrats in the room is sickening.  Pelosi said we don't have the time to start over.  Really??  Where's the emergency?  I swear she has a tampon stuck between her ears.  Health care is not the biggest drag on the economy; it's all the spending idiots!  Quite with all of the entitlements already!

They are all fools!

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I am hoping the conservatives in the party stand up and stop this garbage that is being forced upon us.

I myself like Newt too, and as far as being a hypocrit we all are at times. I would vote for Jesus if he were on the ballot and know for once at least I could vote for someone perfect. But until then I will vote the lessor of 2 evils.

 http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,150547.0.html   Like I said we all are guilty of being hypocrits no one is perfect.
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interesting thread.. just be glad that probably us posters won t ,probably,, get a visit about midnight
fromm guys wearing black mask..we not there yet ..but it may be coming ..sooner than we think.. jmo slim

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Well regardless of the party, Dems or Reps, 50% of a bad idea is still a bad idea.  There should be no compromise of any kind on any bad idea's from any party and it don't matter what the President thinks, I get the impression more lately he is not so smart and sounds to me like he has no idea what is in any of the bills at all.  I also think after listening to him with nothing to read in front of him, he starts to ramble and babble and saying things that don't make any sense, like comparing people's credit cards to buying insurance across state lines. The President has obviously lost it.  He just wants to sign something, anything. He also seemed more than willing to put his dem party's heads on the chopping blocks, and said as much, his problem will be they all might not be so willing, since it's their heads.  Obama has been going down hill so fast it would not surprise me if they took away Lindsey Vonn's gold metal and gave it to Obama for going down hill faster. What a loser this guy is with nothing to read. Great summit. 

Best thing they can do is block it all, Dems or Reps, or whoever has any sense at all.  No compromise, bi-partisan is and always will be a dumb thing to do and makes no sense at all. 

Why in the world would I meet anyone half way on any bad idea or anything I did not believe in? Time for the people to have some guts and tell it like it is.
If true conservatives ever take over congress (they never have yet) in my life time, I would like to see them openly say they are partisan as heck, will always say no to bad ideas, and never try to meet anyone half way on a darn thing ever again.  Far as this congress goes, gridlock is fine for me, or anything that keeps them from legislating anything at all until we can boot them out.  These people are too expensive and I can't afford them anymore.

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I damn sure don't miss Newt. He was as big a liar and hypocrite as any there. For the life of me, I can't figure out why Fox, or anyone else cares what he thinks about anything. Oh yeah! Fox is Republican.
When Clinton was diddling with Monica, Newt was calling down the wrath of God, while all the while, NEWT had a mistress on the side himself. That's why "Mr. Newt" as Rush like to call him, AIN'T MR. NEWT, NO MORE.
Newt went to New York State, and endorsed the REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE, and what did she do when she got behind in the polls, and the Independent pulled ahead her. SHE ENDORESE THE DEMOCRAT.
NEWT! A REPUBLICAN FIRST, AND AN AMERICAN WHEN NECESSARY!

I agree,

I sometimes think the majority of Americans in general Just have short term memory Issues?
and they (politicians and media ) count on just this type of selective memory loss. 
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Newt was a big disappointment! He had it in the palm of his hand and threw it away for sex.

I think its the power that makes people drunk !

Now back to todays "summit" , I think that it was a sham! I do believe the republican speakers that I heard did well for themselves! they aasked that the process be started over and that the back room deals be thrown out! they also read some of the original bill, and pointed out the specific problems they had with it. It remains to be seen but they will be espoused as the party of "NO" which works for me as far as government medical care goes.

I also think obama showed his colors and arrogance once again!

Here is what Reagan thought about government medical care in 1961

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Well convert that to english and specifics and I'll reply as best as I can!  ;)
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Here's a plan: How about those of us who are very happy with our health-care plan, get to keep it the way it is.  For those who aren't happy...well maybe the government could work on that.

Wouldn't it be logical to examine some of the successful models that already exist in this country?  Wouldn't it be wise to look around the world and find a model that comports with what the Dumbycrats are pushing and see just how it really works.

To assume that you can fix what is not broken, or make something work here where it really doesn't work in other places is insanity.  I'm always open to improvement, but prove it before you try to sell it.  I still say that the Congress should have to live with whatever type of plan they shove down our throats, but they should have to be the guinea pigs for at least a number of years before it goes into effect for us.
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See that wasn't so hard, and I am way more impressed with plain straight forward dialogue than subterfuge and innuendo.

Dont cha think Ronnie was heir to that health care boondoggle just as he was heir to the Carter obama-like economic boondoggle. ( NO I wont sit idle and let you besmirch my hero. I don't care how many mistakes or misjudgements he committed. The good outweighs the bad for me) And yes he sent foreign aid to countries that were indeed socialist in nature.  We were rich then remember we were trying to save the world. So maybe we should dig him up and prosecute him for his mistakes and socialist tendencies but i don't remember how anyone but his detractors(opponents) complained at the time.     8)  have a good day agent 7  ;)
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 ;D  By your eloquent and profound oratory I am assuming your shorts are equally if not more in a bunch! Mine dont bunch quickly nor easily, for if they did, after a round of reading the political hacks that negotiate these pages I'd have to pull em from around my neck!  ;) 

I' ve grown in these 58 years to learn that no politician, nor human is without hypocracy nor fault, I simply weigh the good and the bad and support, even in death, those that i feel were assets to our country! And yes the shrine to President Reagan can come to Texas and on my place for that matter!
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