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Offline gjdykeman

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410 Project
« on: February 26, 2010, 09:48:31 AM »
Gun completed, choke bored out to 410, drilled and tapped with standard Weaver base, Millot Red Dot. Now to the reloads. 9.3X74R 3" shells fire formed to 410, 2-1/2" Magteck brass, 2-1/2" Winchester paper hulls and 3" Remington plastic hulls. 440 round balls sized to 410 and 41 mag 200g FN sized to 410. Wads are taped around with packing tape and a card wad over top instead of crimp. Brass shell are for slugs. Paper and plastic for shot. The slugs shoot 6" at 50y, trying for better groups with different powders and loads. The goal with the shot is 60+y with a 12" pattern. I have got a 6" pattern at 50y but a 3 foot group. a work in progress.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2010, 11:05:58 AM »
Great little setup you got. Perfect for a camp/ 4 wheeler gun. ;D
It'd be nice if they offered a rifled 410 barrel like the Tracker's
There are some pretty stout 410 slug loads out there for rifled barrels.



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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2010, 11:09:52 AM »
When you say 6" pattern, do you mean 6" with shot?
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2010, 01:09:51 PM »
Spanky     the 410/45 barrel is rifled. Would that work?
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2010, 02:46:04 PM »
looks nice man  :o
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2010, 04:56:15 PM »
Quote from: STUMPJMPR on February 26, 2010, 11:09:52 AM
When you say 6" pattern, do you mean 6" with shot?

Yes, the packing tape holds the wad from opening until way down range, almost like a slug. I have a 12 gauge double barrel muzzle loader that uses thick solid wads. They will kill a goose at 80y. i cut slits in the wads, how many and how deep determines when the wad drops. Shooting that gun with 120 to 150 g of black powder and 1-1/8-oz of shot just about dislocates my shoulder. I cannot get solid 410 wads. The experiment is to duplicate that process with the 410, I am close. Fun project. The goal is to shoot a turkey in the eye. PS I have a big bag of #6 lead shot to play with.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2010, 02:47:42 AM »
How do you think this concept would work shooting buckshot in a 12 ga with an open bore?
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2010, 11:53:25 AM »
Quote from: STUMPJMPR on February 27, 2010, 02:47:42 AM
How do you think this concept would work shooting buckshot in a 12 ga with an open bore?
I have had this 12g muzzleloader for 20 years. I have shot round balls with amazing results. The wads I use were purchased from a black powder store designed for them. Today, steel shot wads can be had with no slits. I don't know if they are the same stout thickness. i believe the FPS is the key. Low powder charge they shoot like slugs. 50y one hole. These solid wads are designed for cyl bore muzzleloaders as almost all are. I do not shoot this gun anymore because the proper loads hurt to much. It would be perfect for turkeys if I had the nerve to practice.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 01:15:28 AM »
That is one sweet looking set-up!

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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 01:48:20 AM »
That's nice. I like it. Other than working on your loads do you have any more plans for it or is it pretty much done to your liking?
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 08:08:14 AM »
I make cork wads from rolls of cork (ace hardware) cut with a 45 brass.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2010, 10:36:59 AM »
Good question, I have the same barrel. I have never shot any .410 slugs thru it.


Quote from: FLNT4EVR on February 26, 2010, 01:09:51 PM
Spanky     the 410/45 barrel is rifled. Would that work?
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2010, 11:39:50 AM »
I thought the 45-410 barrel was smooth bore with a screw in rifled choke?
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2010, 12:51:03 PM »
I believe it is the opposite.  Rifled barrel and a screw in "choke" to stabilize shot.  I don't have one, I may be wrong

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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2010, 12:58:56 PM »
H&R's site say's fully rifled bore.  I guess I'm wrong on this one.  I wonder how that works cause once shot start's spinning the pattern usually goes to hell.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2010, 03:07:20 PM »
I wonder, does the 45LC round ever damage the exposed barrel threads since the tube is absent?

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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2010, 03:17:54 PM »
Quote from: STUMPJMPR on February 28, 2010, 12:58:56 PM
H&R's site say's fully rifled bore.  I guess I'm wrong on this one.  I wonder how that works cause once shot start's spinning the pattern usually goes to hell.

The choke tube that goes in the end has straight flutes that somewhat stop the rotation of the shot.

Quote from: jeffcneal on February 28, 2010, 03:07:20 PM
I wonder, does the 45LC round ever damage the exposed barrel threads since the tube is absent?

regards,
Jeff

NO the threaded portion is much larger than the bullet diamiter, so no damage happens.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #17 on: February 28, 2010, 04:04:47 PM »
That makes sense on the muzzle diameter.  Does the choke tube give any constriction or does it just stabilize the shot column?

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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2010, 04:34:22 PM »
Quote from: jeffcneal on February 28, 2010, 04:04:47 PM
That makes sense on the muzzle diameter.  Does the choke tube give any constriction or does it just stabilize the shot column?



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The reason I made this project was I had a NEF Surviver 45LC/410 and, it is the reason I started reloading. The gun was good for about 30 feet with shot and I couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door at anything more than 25y. It is what it is. I tried for about a year to make it better. I traded it in on a 45LC classic carbine, that gun shoots 3" at 100y at 1450 FPS with a 300g GCFP. A killer. The smooth bore 410 works like a charm. I sold everything except the barrel on the 45LC and it goes on the same frame as the 410. PS I load #6 shot in 45LC cases, GC on the bottom, GC on the top, same results as the surviver.
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Re: 410 Project
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 02:35:37 AM »
My son has a 45/410 that he never uses.I think I'll try to talk him out of it ,so I can play too.You can never have too many handy shotguns.I will have to get a 10ga too someday. I haven't fired one of those since I was a kid.
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