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Offline frozentoes

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Trouble with coon locations
« on: November 04, 2003, 06:27:40 AM »
Well I just got back from scouting a 1/4 mile stretch of a creek on the property I plan to trap. I could not see a single track anywhere other than the zillion deer. The ground is hard and full of leaves. There are numerous trails coming to the water, some smaller and some obvious deer trails. How can I tell the difference between deer and furbearer trails? I know there are coon and such there because I have seen them or heard them in the general area. Most sightings have been in the woods and cornfields. I also walsked around one cornfield that is partially picked. Still no sign. I am really puzzled. The only track I did find is under a bridge. Should I try a pvc set there with the trap being in the water? I am going to go out later, after the rain stops to try and set a few. I would like to set all my traps but work is a restraint. I have to walk to all locations per landowner's request. Maybe I am making it more difficult than it really is being this will be my first time trapping? Please get back to me when you can. Thanks. Mike

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« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2003, 07:25:10 AM »
Coons have stripes aroound their eyes right? or is it their feet?  :)  

The other old farts on here actually know what a coon is and will relly help out.  That being said, part of the fun is trying stuff.  I'd set the bridge, a couple of trail intersections at the feild and creek but I'm only guessing.  

Wild critters often use the same trails.  Now go do the right thing and put some steel in the ground!  The old boys will certainly reply, once they get out of bed :-D  :-D

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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2003, 02:00:27 AM »
Mike;
 
  1. Bridges are natural funnels and given the choice an animal would rather go under a bridge than over the highway. I definitely would set the bridge but would probably make more than one set there.

  2.  Trails:   Most furbearers are sort of like Wackyquacker.  They will take the path of least resistance.  :lol:  My point is that they have their highways (travelways) that offer the least problems for them when they are moving from one spot to another.  Traveling from one area to another, they will take the easiest way they can.  Those trails are traveled by many different animals and just because you can't see track doesn't mean they aren't there.  I concentrate on "ENTRYS and EXITS".   Learn his habits and how he travels and you won't worry much about seeing his tracks.  WQ is right about all game using the same trails (well, maybe some won't use the some of the same trails as a bobcat ie: rock bluffs and ledges :shock: ).  I have trapped many coon, fox, coyote, and cat where no track was seen.  Read the  "LAY OF THE LAND"  and he will be there.
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2003, 12:23:23 PM »
Well I had my first check this morning. Did not catch anything. I am not too concerned yet, LOL. The weather here has been wet, like just about everywhere else. It also has been mild, 30-low 40. Now it has dropped to lows in the teens but drier. I hope this will not affect them too much. I also learned something else. In trying to set up quick and not disturb the area too much I forgot one important thing on one of my 160's. Those little safety hooks on the springs...they really should be unlocked, DOH!!! I probably had a world record coon go right through the trap, LOL. Well there is always tommorrow.

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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2003, 02:30:09 PM »
Keep us Updated and Good Luck!

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2003, 06:22:05 AM »
might try looking for other sign other than coon tracks, too. if there are any large, old, decaying logs in the area, check them for coon poop. base of trees along that water, rocks, etc will also be spots to look for coon toilets. Find a toilet with fresh sign, and that may be your ticket for coon sets in that area.
Also look for trails. I find trails easiest by going directly to the largest tree in the area, then start there. Also look for connections between food, dens, cover, etc. large old mature trees are good denning areas, so are old groundhog dens, beaver dens, brush piles, etc. food sources could be a crop field nearby, a water source like a pond or stream, or seasonally could be a berry or fruit patch like plum thickets, etc.
trails will be the little coon highways that connect the dots in their environment. they are not necessarily always a water-based animal, either. I get nearly all of my coons at dryland sets by making my sets along fencerows, edges of crop fields, setting near the toilets and large mature trees with hollows in them for dens.
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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2003, 10:24:20 AM »
Thanks fo the replies guys! I am still not having much luck. The stream is froze now, but should unthaw with the warm spell we have coming. I think I am going to leave that one there for now. All other sets are on the edge of corn fields, both picked and unpicked. I have one trap that has been tripped twice now. Can a trap just go off on its own when it gets cold? Today I moved it over to one side about 8 inches and made the other hole look like it was set again. Maybe there is a critter digging it up? I also had a Victor #2 set up with a Mojo lure fired this morning. There was a small catch circle. What could have done that? I thought they were good for holding power. Maybe my pan tension is too loose? No parts left in the trap so what ever it was got away with no injury. When you find a fired trap do you just reset it in the same hole? That is what I have been doing. I went and scouted some public land that does not get touched very much. When I get more time in the mornings I am going to set up over on that land also. Followed one of the many creeks for a mile or so and was pretty excited with all the sign. There was beaver, coon, grinner, and some other track I am not sure of. They were bigger than a squirrel but smaller than a coon. Tracks were all side by side, kind of like a hopping critter. Also the local CO told me the beaver were protected on that land. Is that possible? They are legal everywhere else in the state. He also told me not to waste my time with the rats because he had a couple friends that trapped the area. I was not impressed with that comment. Anyway, as far as coon trails. How can I differentiate between coon and say, deer trails? With frozen ground and lots of leaf litter finding anything has been difficult for me. I am pretty woodsy when it comes to deer but these furbearers are giving me a butt kickin', LOL. I know it is all a part of the learning curve. I was just hoping to catch some before they den up on me. Thanks. Mike

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2003, 10:49:28 AM »
couple of tips, if I could pass anything on to you from my experience with dryland coon trapping.
1.) coons are hard to hold. they have tapered flat feet that are rubbery and it takes a very strong trap to hold them. but on other hand, you don't want too big of a trap to hold them in either or else you will get "parts" in your trap from too high a grab on them. I like #11s for land trapping coons, but 1-1/2s are about as big as I would go for them if I had to use other traps. also, clear the area around your set as far out as the length of the chain+trap+body length of a large coon. reason is that coons can also grasp with all four feet. a hind caught coon can grasp anything nearby with its front feet and literally "power" out of your trap. Same with a front foot caught coon, too. since eye appeal is actually a good thing in dryland coon sets, the first thing I do is clear about a 4 to 5 foot circle around my set location of all brush, tall weeds, grasses, etc. right down to the ground itself. Then make your set right in the middle of this cleared circle. don't give them anything to grab onto to power out of your trap with. short chains on traps are also a big bonus, as are as many swivels as you can put in the chain and trap attachment areas. I center-mount my chains to the bottom of the trap with a swivel, then put an in-line swivel 1/2 way down the length of the chain, then the stake attachment is also a swivel point. total chain length on my dryland coon traps is only 10" max but most are less than this even.
2.) key in on that eye-appeal thing I mentioned. coons are somewhat near sighted and are also very interested in torn-up looking sets. mowing down a 5 foot circle is a great way to catch their eye. Then use a big dirthole. don't skimp on the bait or lure, either.
3.) coons are curious by nature. work on that curiousity, but never satisfy it. as soon as it is satisfied, they move on and lose interest fast. pinning your bait at a right angle in the bottom of the hole, so that it is hard to steal the bait, keeps them interested and moving their feet around over your trap location. liquid baits and lures also pique their curiosity. they know the smell says food, but can't seem to grab anything to satisfy their curiosity.
4.) coons can be finicky, too. mixing odors doesn't seem to bother them much, so if you don't get activity at a set for a few days try a new smell right on top of the old smell at the same set, and see what that does for renewing their interest. might have to do this to renew the interest in the one you pinched, too. they learn fast so that odor may get associated with a bad experience of the short period in your trap.
5.) check your sets often
6.) try fox, bobcat, or mink gland lures or urines, too. All of these are terrific producers for me on dryland coons as a change-up
7.) don't get frustrated, cause dryland coons will do that to you once and awhile. put some different looking and smelling "new" sets in next to the old ones, too. again, work on that curiosity factor as much as you can with coons.
8.) try a few blind sets on trails they are using. you can differentiate deer trails from pure coon trails simply by following the trail a ways. deer are big, and a deer cannot physically negotiate a coon trail. coons can travel deer trails, but deer cannot travel a coon trail where it cuts under thick underbrush, under fencerows, etc. and also look at the connecting points of the trail. food to water, food to denning cover, etc. will tell you a lot about the user of the trail.

hope this helps a little...
Jim-NE

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2003, 11:23:05 AM »
jim-NE  thanks for the help. i may have to go and get some of the #11's. I have quite a few different lures and baits. I will give the change up a try. Most of my traps are short chained but not many swivels. All swivel at the trap and I just put swivels on the rings at the end of the chain. So far I have been using pvc on some of them as attractors at the edge of a corn field. Not too impressed with this though  :? . The area I have been trapping is pretty thick as far as vegetation. Lots of small and large trees and blackberry bushes and about every other thorny type of plant,  :-D . I will have to re-evaluate my set ups and give some of your ideas a try. Thank you. Mike

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« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2003, 02:51:39 AM »
couple other things I thought of you might want to try too. remember to play the temperature game to your advantage. sudden cold snaps will put coons in their dens for a spell, especially later in the season. but, sudden warm ups will have the complete opposite effect. warmer, misty or light rain nights really seem to put them on the move. I love having dryland coon sets out on warm, foggy or misty nights.
those PVC sets should work OK for you on land, too. I have had better luck if the end of the PVC pipe isn't more than about 6" off of the ground, though. Either dig the pipe down into the ground farther, or angle the end of it so that it sits lower over your trap. The white pipe, with some strong bait or lure odors coming from it, does work pretty well. I have better luck with strong food odors in these than gland lures, but you can add gland lure or urines to base of the pipe if you want to.
Don't forget that coons are somewhat nearsighted and don't have quite the whiffer's on the end of their noses that canines do. get your sets close to the trails and line of direct travel. If you know coons are using the trail but are passing your set by, then definitely time to readjust to their satisfied curiosity. take a trowel or shovel and really tear things up around your set, then load up the set with a completely different bait or lure odor.