58 topper barrel [30-30]

[yukondog]

I might be making a trade for one but need to know if it will fit my sb-2 recever. Thanks for any help.

[quickdtoo]

You won't know until you try, there's no way of knowing, older H&R Inc firearms apparently had a large variance in tolerances, some members say they lock up fine when used with modern parts, others have said they won't come close, myself included with the one I tried, it would have taken a lot of work to shorten the underlug enough to fit a modern frame, the M058 was made from '75-'86, the early models may have   the snap-on forend. Best advice is try it and see. 

Tim

[tallyho]

I have a Topper 158 30/30 and its barrel does not fit any of my three modern receivers (2 SB2, and 1 SB1). However, some modern barrels fit the Topper frame: 2 VersaPak barrels, a 20ga rifled barrel, and a 20ga smoothbore, and those four barrels, in addition to fitting the Topper, fit at least two of my modern frames. (And one of the VersaPak barrels fits all my frames Topper, SB1 and SB2...)

To me it seems logical that since that one VP barrel fits all my frames, a barrel that fits any frame should fit all all frames... but that don't seem to be the way it actually works.

I have shot the VersaPak barrels on the Topper frame, but have not yet tried a shotgun barrel.

Also, I have a 357 barrel that fits two receivers, but not the Topper; another 20 ga smoothbore barrel that fits all three modern receivers, but not the Topper; and finally I have a .223 HB and a .308 standard contour barrel that "almost" fit (just a teeny bit of daylight showing at the breech) - though I have absolutely no interested in shooting them on a Topper frame!!

So, like Quick says, the only way is to try it and see.

Anyway, if you do get the 30/30 barrel and it doesn't work for you, let me know, I'd be interested in swapping something to ya and giving it a new home.

Cheers
Kerry

p.s. That is a picture of it in my avatar - wearing a Mannlicher forend.

[v8r]

I have a topper 158 .22 Hornet that accepts many of my barrels and they lock up tight.I really would like to have another .22 hornet barrel fitted by the factory in the ultra light contour,but i bet they wouldn't even attempt it.Something about the old Toppers that I like are that they are transfer bar free.

[quickdtoo]

Not all M158s were transfer bar free, only the earlier versions were, the old style low spur hammers were on M158s, it's made for a transfer bar, I have several of them on modern frames that work great with the transfer bar. The M158 was made from '63-'84 in various forms by H&R Inc, H&R1871 won't fit barrels to any frame made by H&R Inc.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/accessoryProgram.asp

[Airsporter]

I have a model 058 combo in 30-30 and 20ga that I really like because of the lightweight barrels.  But I'm in the 'won't come close' column regarding these barrels fitting my SB2 frames.     If you can get the barrel at a reasonable price/trade you can always resell.

[v8r]

Mine has the low hammer and no transfer bar and goes bang every time I shoot it.I like it because you can shoot it more like a regular rifle and not have to worry about the complete reward trigger pull like on the transfer bar models. This is just how mine is, they probably had many variations.

[guns-o-fun]

I fitted one of the earlier (snap-on) 158 30-30 barrels to one of my SB2 frames.  I had to file the bottom of the extractor to round it back a little and it eventually took a bunch of fiddling - mostly because I am too much of a perfectionist when it come to getting things to fit.  It locks up tight and I proofed it with a Grizzly Cartridge +P 170 grainer.  No problems.  No pop open, no unusual pressure signs.  Good to go.  The firing pin does strike a little high off center, but it goes bang just fine.  Only some real range work will tell if the off-center pin strike has any significant impact on accuracy.  Sweet barrel.

[gcrank1]

Somewhere, dont remember just where, but it may have been The Single Shot Journal, was a pretty comprehensive test on primer strike. Conclusion was that if it wasnt way out at the outer edge and went off each time that you would never notice the difference except maybe in the most demanding benchrest competition.

[quickdtoo]

I learned yesterday that different primers may be more susceptible to FTF possibly due to offset pin strikes, the primer in the Win brass on the left is a CCI200, the other in the Nosler 280 Ackley brass is Fed210. I loaded several rounds to fireform in the overbore 270 Ackley using 150gr Nosler Partition seconds in 270 Win brass using the CCI200s which are commonly mentioned as having harder cups, I used them because I have a lot of them. Every one took two hammer falls to get them to fire, never had a bit of problem with the Fed 210s tho in the 130gr Speer loads.  I supposed it can be blamed on the harder CCI cups, but makes ya wonder, the frame has a Wolff extra strength hammer spring and .063" pin projection.

Tim

[gcrank1]

Those are further out of center than often seen, too. I think I would want to call that at the edge of OK.

[guns-o-fun]

Those are a little farther out than mine. I have a bunch of CCIs and WLRs.  Hoping that I don't have any problems.  The gun is one sweet handling, carrying little thing.  Putting one of the new Redfield 2X7X33s on it.  Should still be very handy.