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Offline jeepmann1948

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For the 45-70 fans
« on: March 20, 2010, 11:55:22 AM »
Check out this test (be sure to read all the pages)

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot4.htm
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2010, 12:15:00 PM »
Jeepman    I knew I loved the 45 70. Really a good post.
                                   Thanks
                                               Jim   <><   <><   <><
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2010, 12:47:17 PM »
That's a good read, not exactly a secret tho,  the link has been in the FAQs for over 4yrs.  ;)

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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2010, 12:57:22 PM »
thats great!!
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2010, 02:49:24 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on March 20, 2010, 12:47:17 PM
That's a good read, not exactly a secret tho,  the link has been in the FAQs for over 4yrs.  ;)

Tim
I have looked high and low for the FAQ's but cannt find them   HELP !!
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2010, 02:51:22 PM »
It's two topics up into the shaded sticky section at the top of this forum, the topic titled FAQ's and HELP ****PLEASE READ ME!!!**** !!!

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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2010, 03:00:54 PM »
Very impressive.
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2010, 03:45:25 PM »
When explaining why I choose the 45-70, I tell others this: Which will do more damage to a brick wall, a race car going 200 MPH or a freight train going 60 MPH? If they don't 'get it' after this they never will.
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2010, 07:08:45 PM »
lol very impressive
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2010, 05:07:13 AM »
Cool. I'm a big 45/70 fan. ;D
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2010, 08:50:16 AM »
I suspect that the .308 the guy used technically had more energy than what appears to have been a trapdoor .45-70 load. So why doesn't it penetrate as well? Becasue the lighter, skinnier bullet tumbles and breaks up, while the heavier bullet stays together?

I remember reading an article by Chuck Hawkes where he basically dismisses momentum (velocity x mass) as a measure of bullet effectiveness, in favor of energy (velocity squared x mass). But at least in terms of penetration, momentum seems to be a better predictor. Momentum is a measure of an object's inertia which is basically an indicator of how much force is needed to change its state of motion (velocity/direction).  The more momentum a projectile has, the harder it is to stop (the freight train versus race car analogy comes to mind).
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2010, 09:58:02 AM »
Quote from: cult .44 on March 22, 2010, 08:50:16 AM
I suspect that the .308 the guy used technically had more energy than what appears to have been a trapdoor .45-70 load. So why doesn't it penetrate as well? Becasue the lighter, skinnier bullet tumbles and breaks up, while the heavier bullet stays together?

I remember reading an article by Chuck Hawkes where he basically dismisses momentum (velocity x mass) as a measure of bullet effectiveness, in favor of energy (velocity squared x mass). But at least in terms of penetration, momentum seems to be a better predictor. Momentum is a measure of an object's inertia which is basically an indicator of how much force is needed to change its state of motion (velocity/direction).  The more momentum a projectile has, the harder it is to stop (the freight train versus race car analogy comes to mind).

I take what Chucky says with a grain of salt most of the time.  :D :D

Smashing bricks and plywood and sheetrock and soda bullets makes for a cool presentation but means squat when it comes to wither a bullet will be effective on dispatching most game animals we hunt here,It does come in Handi too know if I have to shoot thru several walls to get at someone which one to use though... :D :D :D :D :D

Shoot a 45 cal slug into a well constructed sand bag at 15 feet..will it penetrate..some I am sure...lighter slugs most likely not..but..take a 500 grain field tipped arrow shoot it from a 60lb. bow and see what happens..

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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2010, 08:26:46 AM »
Oh man i guess that proves this young guy at work wrong he tells everyone that my 45/70 is so slow at 200 yards that he could catch the bullet.  Told him if he wanted to be my guest i'm not.  ;D
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2010, 09:11:16 AM »
makes me really want to go out and shoot my 45-70 next time I have to do some reconstruction, or remodeling instead of using that heavy as hell sledge hammer!!!
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Re: For the 45-70 fans
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2010, 10:27:36 AM »
I know it does one heck of a job on a hog!
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