i bought 2 case from of gunbroker, maybe mohunt or something like that, definetly good, i swear its more charged than rem,fed, win. i use it out of my moa 7mm/08 10 1/2 inch handgun, shot a black bear this year in the head and lights out on the spot, also a buck with it. my son uses a savage american walnut 14 7mm/08 and shot 2 buchs also. i feel its great ammo