Opinions on RWS-46 & RWS-48

[casper_zip]

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Hello to All of you:

Have any of you any experience with the RWS-46 & RWS-48 Air Rifles ?? I know the 46 has the underlever, and the 48 is the sidecocker. This weekend is the first time I have ever seen any underlever or sidecocker. My cousin bought one each at a Gun Show. They were both pretty cheap Chinese guns. The underlever I have from him is a 22 caliber, pretty rough, but after filing the front site down till nearly nothing, I do have it shooting on target.

He kept the 177 sidecocker, it had a horrendous trigger on it, but overall, looked pretty well made. The Chinese pellets are horrible, by the way, or at least the ones he let me have are, but after you get them in the barrel, they shoot really good.

So, if any of you can help me out please do so. I'd like to know also if any of you shoot any of the Chinese air guns, and if so, what would you recommend to anyone.

Thanks again

Casper_Zip  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:

[Questor]

I have a 46, and like it a lot. It's a high quality gun that is very accurate and good to handle and use.  I expect it to last a long time.  My only gripe is that RWS exaggerates the heck out of their velocity figures. It's rated at 950fps, but mine is lucky to shoot 800fps.  However, this doesn't seem to be a hindrance when it comes to shooting small game.  My understanding is that all RWS velocity figures are exaggerated.

[Lawdog]

Questor,

Velocity figures are there only as a guide line no matter what the company make.  Every company uses the lightest pellet in whatever caliber they are testing and they set up the screens three or less from the end of the barrel.  In fact some of the highest velocities recorded are using light weight round balls(made with a combination of tin and lead).  Accuracy isn't much but they really scream.  Lawdog

[Deaf Smith]

include a RWS model 48 as well as a 36 and BSA supersport too. I also have a few chinese airguns. I have a 177 sidelever gun as well as an AKstyle 22 caliber airgun complete with folding stock this is a side lever as well(this one looks so real only the absence of a magazine telle you somethings off) I also have abn under lever 22 caliber chinese gun (this is my least favorite of the bunch not becouse its a bad gun but becouse it does not fit my body correctly) I also habe a barrel cocker in 177 that is a mexican made Mendoza springer.  These are just part of my collection and don't include the pump guns as well as the classic CO2 crosmans. Rifles and pistols.
   The chinese guns are for the most part a good value for the money. some are better bargins than others the AK copy is a better gun in 22 caliber than 177 becouse it hits harder in that caliber. The 177 sidelever  gun is a model called a fast deer and was the bargin of the year volicity of about 600-650 with regular 177 pellets very accurate but a rough trigger its a very fun gun to use and I would'nt part with it. The mendoza is great gun and put pellets out at 800 fps a great small critter gitter.  Neither of my chinese guns are powerful enough for game except at close range.
the only exception is they are both excellent rat killers!  Rats are the perfect targets for the power levels of these guns. If you like your chinese underlever then that is great. Lots of folks have one and do quite well with it. Get yourself some better pellets for yourself they ain't that expensive.
Check the net for a store called D&R Sports They sell crosman wadcutter pellets in bulk packs (500 perpack) for less than $4 If you buy 6 boxes they even give you a better price of $3.23 per 500 round box thats 3000 22 caliber wadcutter pellets for about $26 including shipping and tax (if you live in pa if not then less couse no tax) I shoot a lot of 22 caliber airguns so this was a good deal for me. If you can't use 3000 maybe a couple of friends can go in on the deal. Chinese guns are fun to play with
some are even powerful enoough to hunt with but befour you spend over $100 on a chinese airgun go to Airgun Express and look at their RWS Demo guns real german quality for demo prices with a new gun warrenty!
A RWS 34 costs you $140 for a magnum airrifle thar shoots 177 pellets at 900 fps. A Real RWS 48 there will cost you $219 in 177 caliber and will give you an honest 1000fps in 177.

[Questor]

Lawdog: 25 percent less velocity than advertised is ridiculous. It's not a guideline, it's a deliberate misrepresentation.  RWS is notorious for this. Figures for all other airgun manufacturers I have used accurately reflect the potential of the gun.

[Deaf Smith]

are mine and other users actual chrony results averaged the factory numbers are higher. 1000fps for the 34/36 model and 1100 for the 48/52/54 models but the fiures are closer to the truth according to our chronographs. 900 in the 34/36 and 1000 in the 48 pellets used in myne daisy quicksilver in 177 as well as the crosman copperhead wadcutters.  Some gamo targewt wadcutters were aLSO USED. tHESE ARE THE FACTS AS i KNOW THEM I don't know what the power levels are in 22 caliber in these guns

[Lawdog]

Questor,

What pellet were you using when you got those figures?  Lawdog

[Deaf Smith]

I said daisy quicksilvers and crosman copperhead wadcutters. The two fps listed were averages of 10 shots over a 625 combro.

[Questor]

Lawdog: The lightest pellets sold  by Beeman. The one they use for their velocity figures.  With normal weight pellets, velocity is slightly more than 700 fps in my gun.  Check the reviews on straightshooters.com and you'll see the most credible tests available.  With normal weight pellets, they're getting 150 to 200fps below advertised.  When I test Beeman guns, for example, velocity matches claimed velocity.

[Uncle Bob]

ZVP--Thanks for your response about springer pistols.  Your comments have eased my concerns about their recoil.  However, I have read about how these pistols are "grip sensitive" indicating that they have to be held in some unconventional (read:  unnatural & uncomfortable) fashion to compensate for the recoil.  

Lawdog--Yes, I'm eye-balling a future purchase of the Beeman P-1.  What caliber would you recommend?  I'm considering the .20 cal.  Kind of pricey, though.  Around $350 the last time I checked.  Maybe a used one, yes?  I've seen nothing but glowing reviews written about this beautifully made and very hard-hitting piece.  And I'm familiar about Beeman quality: I have a Beeman P-3 single shot, single pump pnuematic.  What a joy to shoot!  Great for plinking and such but it just doesn't have the take-down power for ridding my backyard of those pesky squirrels, crows, and rabbits.   That's what I want a P-1 to do.  Don't want a rifle because it might be a bit intimidating for the neighbors to see me carrying one.  I've also got a Crosman 1377C which I've used to kill a couple of squirrels but my father-in-law has commandeered it for his personal varmit-ridding needs.

-Bob

[Lawdog]

Bob,

My P-1 is a .20 caliber.  At the time I got it I also used a Crow Magnum in .20 and that way I didn't have to worry about different caliber pellets getting mixed up.  Now I have pellet rifles in .177, .20 and .25 and pistols in .177 and .20 caliber.  Next I'm going to get a .22 rifle to finish out the calibers.  I am drooling over a Quackenbush in .45 caliber but the price is blocking making the deal, AT THE MOMENT.  Anyway I prefer the .20 caliber for hunting because it hits a littler harder without that much loss in velocity or accuracy.  Lawdog

[Larry Gibson]

Questor

"With normal weight pellets, they're getting 150 to 200fps below advertised.  When I test Beeman guns, for example, velocity matches claimed velocity"

There in is the problem; "normal weight pellets".  As Lawdog stated RWS uses the lightest pellets available and Beeman used to also.  I have chronographed a number of RWS and Beeman pellet rifles with an Oehler 35P.  I have most often met or exceeded the velocity claims of both.  With the RWS it was with the lightest pellets as they advertise.  As an example; my RWS M54 .22 will exceed 900 fps with the 12 gr (? - not sure) pellet.  With 21.3 gr Kodiaks it runs 632 fps.  That's over 270 fps difference but the lower velocity is with a much heavier pellet.  We can't go to a slower burning powder here for higher velocity you know.  The spring will only push so much, so fast.  The more the pellet weighs the less fast it gets pushed by the spring.  Not too hard to understand.  

Now if your complaint is about false advertising, there isn't any as they (RWS in this case) state what pellets they use, i.e. the lightest.  Have you checked the "fine print" of Beeman's claims on c-t-c accuracy?  Many complain their Beeman rifles are not as "accurate" as advertised.  Probably not as the "fine print" says the c-t-c listed is from "the best 3 shot group", not an average group size but "the best 3 shot group".  Advertising is what it is, we must always read the fine print and understand it's meaning.

Larry Gibson

[Lawdog]

Larry,

Where have you been?  Missed your posts here on Air Guns and though maybe the service had shipped you off some where.  Hope you come back more.  Lawdog

[Larry Gibson]

Lawdog

"Where have you been?  Missed your posts here on Air Guns and though maybe the service had shipped you off some where.  Hope you come back more. "

Been busy shipping others off.  I used to joke when asked if I was shipping out; "hell, they'll send women and kids before they send me!"   No joke anymore, I am sending the women and kids.  This is going to be a long one though, my time will come.   I hope the country can stand the long haul.  Always good chattin' with you.

Larry Gibson

[Lawdog]

Larry,

Here's praying for you and all the rest of the service men and women serving.  Two of my men are reservist on active duty at the present and they are in the minds of all my personnel.  Making sure their families are not doing without while they are away serving.  And you are right about this one going to be a long one.  It's to bad too but whatever it takes to protect America.  STAY ALERT if you get shipped out.  Lawdog

[Larry Gibson]

Lawdog


Thanks for the thoughts and sentiments.  I hope all of our countrymen take pride and continue to support these young troops, they deserve it.  Hmmm, now let me see...I wonder how a CP out of my M54 would do at 30 yards on an Iraqi's a*s ....better stick with the poodle shooter (would prefer an M14 though)!  

Larry Gibson

[Lawdog]

LMG,

No thanks necessary, Thank You for serving.

would prefer an M14 though

You and me and many others.  Thank God I carried a M40A1 in Viet Nam(1967 - 1968).  Liked the added reach.

I wonder how a CP out of my M54 would do at 30 yards on an Iraqi's a*s

Cure for that is try the other side of them Iraqi's.   :-D   Lawdog