Help on old powder??????????

[Darrell Davis]

Afternoon reloaders.

I have posted this info over on the shotgun forum, but here also in the hopes that some one has a book old enough to help.

A friend has about 10lbs of ball powder, probably for use in shotguns and/or handguns.

WW 450 LS

My oldest books list a Olin 452, but no luck on the powder in question.

Hate the thought of turning 10lbs of powder into lawn food.

The powder has been well stored and looks as well as smells good.

Any info is welcome.

Keep em coming!

Crusty Deary Ol'Coot

[torpedoman]

who made it?

[Darrell Davis]

It is WW, so would expect it is Winchester/Western or Olin.

Thanks,

Keep em coming!

CDOC
 

[skarke]

Speer #10 manual.  Look at this, I think that the Speer manual lists the powder.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPEER-10-12-and-LYMAN-RELOADING-MANUALS_W0QQitemZ230456479579QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item35a846cf5b

[Paladin]

30-06

[topash]

Found this on another sight:

Winchester 450-LS Data

From: Speer #8, 1970:

.38 S&W - Winchester cases, Alcan
148-gr - Speer BB Wadcutter - 2.7 grs - 707 fps to 3.0 grs - 779 fps
(Red Dot 2.8 - 760 fps to 3.1 grs - 835 fps)
158-gr - Speer Lead Semi-wadcutter - 2.3 grs - 621 fps to 2.7 grs - 704 fps
(Red Dot 2.3 - 664 fps to 2.7 grs - 740 fps)

.38 Special - Speer/DWM cases, CCI 550
148-gr - Speer BB Wadcutter - 3.1 grs - 698 fps to 4.1 grs - 910 fps
(Red Dot 3.2 - 798 fps to 4.2 grs - 986 fps)
148-gr - Speer HB Wadcutter - 2.7 grs - 690 fps to 3.4 grs - 870 fps
(Red Dot 2.8 grs - 784 fps to 3.5 grs - 936 fps)
148-gr - Speer HB Wadcutter - 3.0 grs - 736 fps - lightest powder charge for reliable functioning and excellent accuracy in a standard Smith & Wesson Model 52 Target Auto. Pistol.
(Red Dot - 2.8 grs - 736 fps)
158-gr - Speer Lead SWC or RN - 4.0 grs - 822 fps to 4.5 grs - 938 fps
(Red Dot 4.2 grs - 934 fps to 4.7 grs - 1037 fps

.45 ACP - Federal cases, CCI 300
185-gr - Cast SWC - 4.7 grs - 751 fps to 5.1 grs - 803 fps
(Red Dot 4.2 grs - 776 fps to 4.7 grs - 854 fps)
200-gr - Speer SWC - 4.5 grs - 726 fps to 5.0 grs - 796 fps
(Red Dot 4.0 grs - 747 fps to 4.5 - 809 fps)

No other handgun loads were listed.

Red Dot loads included for comparison.

Apparently not a very versatile powder. There's no mention of it in Speer @#9.

[Dand]

Seems like I've read that ball powder has excellent long term shelf life so don't blame you for trying to use it.

Surely some data is available. Since Hodgdon now sells Win / Olin powders you might want to contact them on it.

Some posters might be confused - I sure am. I doubt there's a powder that is suitable for the 30-06  AND the 38. 

 Hodgdon sold H 450 ( I still have some) but doubt that's the same as what you have.

I'd call Hodgdon. Good luck.