Yep they are the messiest most pain in the butt bird that we have around here, and believe me I did my darnest to thin em out, to no avail, but I did find one thing they were good for, they eat the grubs in your lawn, if they don't, the grubs become really appealing to skunks, and since I quit interrupting the starlings from eating them, I seldom get nighttime visits from mr skunk, just thought I'd let you know if you didn't know allready...................steg