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Wisconsin, behind the times
« on: April 08, 2010, 03:10:37 PM »
Seems like Wisconsin and Il. are the last ones.

PHOENIX – The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit, sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.

If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states — Illinois and Wisconsin — prohibit them altogether.

Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.

"We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.

There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.

Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.

Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.

The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.

Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.

On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.

The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2010, 04:58:47 PM »
i have hopes that after doyle is done we get a republican in there and that we try to push it thru again. i just got back from az, this was on the news while i was down there. almost makes me want to move out of wisconsin to a more gun/hunting friendly state. i wish they would do away with the case law also, most people most of the time are going to put their gun in a case in a vehicle to protect it, but sure makes for a pain every time you jump on the back of the four wheeler out in the midle of the woods. i could go on and on, but the way it seams to me the dnr in other states don't have the control like they do here.
I'm just a bitter Christian clinging to my gun.

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2010, 05:32:21 PM »
Brewer should sign it this week. The liberals were screaming the streets were going to be Dodge City,just like they did twenty five years ago when we passed CCW. Needless to say liberal hysteria proved to be untrue.

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 02:08:10 AM »
 Yep, a new governor is the 1st step.
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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2010, 04:43:42 PM »
Good post, Cheesehead.  Yup, a new Governor is the first order of business.
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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2010, 05:34:57 PM »
well if i go on vacation somewhere in the winter, arizona just moved to the top of the list. 

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2010, 06:32:54 PM »
cmon down we'll drink some beer and burn some steaks

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2010, 06:43:42 PM »
cmon down we'll drink some beer and burn some steaks


Myronman and I will jump on our motorcycles and be right down, I love beer and steaks, and handguns.

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2010, 03:56:03 AM »
It's not only a Governer that is pro gun, pro business, pro manufacturing, pro not with his head up is ass, we need. We also need to get rid of those 2, look to the left, tunnel visioned Senators. The time has come to limit terms on these yo-yo's, and that is, all the yo-yo's in that joke they call the senate.
    Wisconsin behind the times? In the short time, Doyle, that wanna be confict, ( I say that because if anybody else robbed from the larder like that guy did, they would be in jail, PRISON) has been in office he set this state back double!
       Life was so much more simple, UNTIL, I started paying attention. I hate that when it happens.
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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2010, 05:30:13 AM »
if it wasnt for me having children here, i would so be gone already.  unless things change, i will be out of there the day my youngest turns 18. 

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2010, 06:59:42 PM »
I seriously can't believe nobody has considered criminal charges against Doyle for the budget deficit, and the way he engineered it.
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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2010, 11:12:09 AM »
Our creator rgave us GOD given rights, our founding fathers re-affirmed these GOD given and human rights, and that is all I need to know. This trumps anything a GODDAMNED democrat tells me and or legislates. I wonder if there is a speacial place in hell for these anti human spirit fother muckers. Pretty safe bet were we all need to be on nov 2nd 2010. I want my country back    Rot in hell you currupt democrat MF'ers. Good ridance jim ****ing Doyle, you POS

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2010, 04:18:11 PM »
Our creator rgave us GOD given rights, our founding fathers re-affirmed these GOD given and human rights, and that is all I need to know. This trumps anything a GODDAMNED democrat tells me and or legislates. I wonder if there is a speacial place in hell for these anti human spirit fother muckers. Pretty safe bet were we all need to be on nov 2nd 2010. I want my country back    Rot in hell you currupt democrat MF'ers. Good ridance jim ****ing Doyle, you POS
great post ;D. i can't wait till that SOB is gone.
if it wasnt for me having children here, i would so be gone already.  unless things change, i will be out of there the day my youngest turns 18. 
if i wasn't trying to hold onto the family farm i'd be gone too. if things don't work out with the farm i will definetly move to a more gun/hunting/freedom freindly state.
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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2010, 04:57:15 PM »
Our creator rgave us GOD given rights, our founding fathers re-affirmed these GOD given and human rights, and that is all I need to know. This trumps anything a GODDAMNED democrat tells me and or legislates. I wonder if there is a speacial place in hell for these anti human spirit fother muckers. Pretty safe bet were we all need to be on nov 2nd 2010. I want my country back    Rot in hell you currupt democrat MF'ers. Good ridance jim ****ing Doyle, you POS
Love the PASSION, 379Peterbilt, As I post this, this thread has been read 150 times, Peterbilt's post needs to be read 100X that, and it needs to sink in. Not just now, but we need to remember what has been done to us AND what their trying to do to us, and on that day in November It will be our time to take back this state, this country, and send them all Packing. "Rot in hell you currupt democrat MF'ers". Why, I couldn't have said that better myself.  ;D CRASH87

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2010, 06:59:49 PM »
Brewer signed it today. Will take effect in ninety days. I knew there was a reason I have put up with blistering summers for 54 years.

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Re: Wisconsin, behind the times
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2010, 07:44:48 PM »
Glad ya liked that, Crash.....(grin). I very rarely rant like that, but if there was ever a hot button issue for me, it would be gun kuntrol and what some of the leftist democrats pull. They are some dangerous sons-a-bishes. To think we had  CCW in the bag with a super majority, until Doyle strongarmed that fence riding state senator to change is vote. T minus 7.5 months until SHTF for liberl democrats