180 Grain Hawk Bullets in 270 Wby?

[macbullet]

Wondering if anyone has loaded the Hawk 180 grain bullets in their 270 Weatherby?  I have a German made 270 that has an extremely long throat that makes me think these bullets might be just the ticket, but to order them from Hawk you have to buy a minimum of four boxes at a cost of $165, which is a lot just to try them out.  Would anyone happen to have five of the 180 grain Hawk bullets to sell so I could do a little testing?  The only other heavy bullets I could find are the Nosler 160 grain partitions.  I would be interested in opinions on either of these (or any other heavyweight)  bullets from anyone who has used them in a 270Weatherby. 
Thank you.

[Savage_99]

I read of a rifle blow up using those bullets.  The shooter said the bullets jacket is open at the base.  That the lead core blew out of the jacket and the next shot blew up the rifle because the previous jacket was stuck in there!

"that happened to me, destroyed the rifle and left me with a life long eye injury. Core squirted out of the jacket but the jacket remained in the barrel. I wouldnt suggest Hawk bullets"

[macbullet]

I read of a rifle blow up using those bullets.  The shooter said the bullets jacket is open at the base.  That the lead core blew out of the jacket and the next shot blew up the rifle because the previous jacket was stuck in there!

"that happened to me, destroyed the rifle and left me with a life long eye injury. Core squirted out of the jacket but the jacket remained in the barrel. I wouldnt suggest Hawk bullets"

I don't understand your post.....did you read about it or did it happen to you?  In any case they might not be worth experimenting with.  I have only heard good about Hawk bullets until now.

[billy_56081]

With the initial invesment for the bullets there is no way I would even consider this purchase. One weatherbys are made with freebore built in, two will the rifle stabilize those long bullets?

[Bigeasy]

You might want to try one of the solid metal designes like the Barnes.  They are longer then lead core bullets for their weight.  I'm not sure if Barnes makes a 175 - 180 weight, but if they do, it would be a lot cheaper test..

Larry

[Savage_99]

I read about it.

"I shot about 20 head of African plainsgame with them in my 338 Win. and some deer with my 7x57 and in each case I used the thickest jackets they had to offer and the heaviest bullets..In each case the jacket seperated from the core..I was not the least impressed..

I do believe they might work on deer size animals in the old Win. calibers like the 38-55, 33 Win., 45-70, 45-90 etc. mabybe in the .348 Win. but I wouldn't swear to it..

They are basically nothing more than yesterdays bullets with a lot of promises IMO..No partition, not soldered to the jacket, no locking feature to hold the lead in the jacket, and a real line of BS to sell them...


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[jager]

   I have used 180gr. RN Barnes bullets (no longer made) in a .270Win at about 2550fps. I have not shot any game with this load, but they shoot into less than 1 1/8" off the bench. I've not tried this bullet in my .270 Weatherby (Ruger No. 1) and would expect another 200+fps out of that cartridge. They have a pretty good B.C., despite their round shape, and should penetrate well given their S.D. and Barne's reputation.
   I do have an old box of "Hawk" 150gr 270 bullets; and had never heard of their defects before. I bought these out of Cabela's "bargain cave" several years ago. I will proceed with caution .

[Siskiyou]

The Barnes bullets might be the ticket for you.  Here is a link to some data:
http://www.barnesbullets.com/images/270WeatherbyMagnumWeb.pdf

Note what is says about the early German made rifles.

The 150-grain TTSX has to be one long bullet.  I am including a picture comparing the length of the 130-grain Barnes TTSX (blue tip) with a 150-grain Sierra boattail, a couple 140-grain bullets, and a 130 grain Hornady. 



On the fourth of August I went out and test fired some 130-grain Barnes TTSX bullet.  A very accurate bullet indeed. 

[macbullet]

Sounds like Barnes is the way to go, but will still have to try the Nosler 160 Partitions.  e-mails to Hawk about the 180's have gone un-answered.
I really appreciate everyone's input, you just may have saved me from making a bad mistake 'cause I was ready to try the 180 Hawk's.  Thank you!

[Hank08]

Speer used to make a 170 gr. RN for the .270.  I've tried them in several .270 Win. 1/10 twist and none would stabilize them.  They would impact the target from slightly tipped to completely sideways.  I think some .270 Wea. were 1/12" so that would be even worse.
H08

[WL44]

The Barnes "original" 180gr is no longer made.

In South Africa we have a local producer making a solid shank bonded core bullet much like a Bear Claw - they are made by Rhino and I think they may be available in the US. If not, e-mail Kobus the manufacturer.

I picked up 170gr 270's some years ago and shot them a few months ago. I got around 2450fps quite comfortably and accuracy at 100m was around 1 1/2". My rifle has a long throat and the twist is a bit quicker that the usual 1:10 if I recall.

The bullets are REALLY long due to the solid shank and the design is more pointed than spitzer.

[ourway77]

Shot placement with the 270 Weatherby and 140 grain bullets will do any animal in maaybe with the wxception of your most dangerous game. In North America they will do very well on just about everything. Yes the weatherby's have a 10 twist as far as I can remember when I owned one. Lou