What's going on in American colleges today?

[Sourdough]

Sky has complained about one of the Professors he has had and her liberal views.  She was a Psychology Professor and he refused to develop her liberal views.  It cost him, in his final grade for that class, but he said it was worth it.  He says all the Professors are of that same liberal mind set.  Most of the kids (especially his crowd) at UAF are from Conservative families and have already learned their values before going to the nest of liberalism.

Boom Lover:  Sky has already signed up for a stint in the Marines after college.  I have already started taking him to Assembly meeting and getting him involved with local government.  One of our Neighbors is the Chair of the Borough Assembly, He comes home talking about how stupid he thinks the assembly is, and if he had the time he would run just so he could have a say in what they are doing.  The boy gets heated up sometimes.

[teamnelson]

OS, sadly its true. I arrived on campus a year or so after a new conservative administration had been put in place by the trustees. All of the previous professors but one were fired, and most of the staff. I was hired to a senior staff position and had to sort through a lot of documentation to meet our accreditation requirements ... decades of liberalism. Then later I was on staff at our national office where I was reading trends in the church ... decades of liberalism. If you wanted to undermine American society at the moral level, the most basic level of thought, how would you start? Education. First, education of the keepers of the flame. Second, keepers of the law. Third, students no longer under the influence of family or tradition. Fourth, all of the children.

Is it really no wonder that more and more Americans do not understand the value of the means to accomplish the ends? If the means to getting my education and health care is to have government take it from hard working neighbors, then so be it - its my human right. If the means to winning the war on terror is bombing population centers, then so be it - whatever it takes to win, the argument goes. It spans both sides of the political spectrum now to where the joining link in the one party system we have is that there is no right, just results. And we were taught all that in school, reinforced by the media, uncontested by the legal/political system ...

I know there are great teachers out there, great schools, etc. My sister is one of them, and hopefully will be a Principal soon. But the fabric of the entire system itself is rife with liberalism. Go back to John Dewey, and see what he orchestrated.

[wreckhog]

Most parents seem to want their kids to get top grades, perfect SATs, be a sports star, be a music prodigy, go to Harvard B school and become partners at Goldman Sachs. Goldman of course, actually runs the world. Under EVERY President, including the current one. And they are not liberal. Greed is good.

Dianna Farrell:

Obama Administration: Deputy Director, National Economic Council
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Financial Analyst

Stephen Friedman:

Obama Administration: Chairman, President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman, 1990-94; Director, 2005-)

Gary Gensler:

Obama Administration: Commissioner, Commodity Futures Trading Commission
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance

Robert Hormats:

Obama Administration: Undersecretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs Group

Philip Murphy:

Obama Administration: Ambassador to Germany
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Head of Goldman Sachs, Frankfurt

Mark Patterson:

Obama Administration: Chief of Staff to Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geitner
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Lobbyist 2005-2008; Vice President for Government Relations

John Thain:

Obama Administration: Advisor to Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geitner
Former Goldman Sachs Title: President and Chief Operating Officer (1999-2003)

Henry Paulson:

Bush II Administration: Secretary, Treasury 2006 - 2009
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Chairman and CEO (1998-2006)

Neel Kashkari:

Bush II Administration: Assistant Secretary for Financial Stability, Treasury (2008 – 2009)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice President, San Francisco; led Information Technology Security Investment Banking Practice

Reuben Jeffery III:

Bush II Administration: Undersecretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs, State Department (2007 –2009)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Managing Partner Paris until 2002 Security Investment Banking Practice

Robert Steel:

Bush II Administration: Under Secretary for Domestic Finance, Treasury, (2006 – 2008)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman – 2004

Steve Shafran:

Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson 2008
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Private equity business in Asia until 2000

Edward C. Forst:

Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson 2008
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Co-head of Goldman’s investment management business

Dan Jester:

Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson 2008
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Deputy CFO

Kendrick R. Wilson III:

Bush II Administration: Advisor on setting up TARP to Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson 2008
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Chairman of Goldman’s financial institutions groups

Joshua Bolten:

Bush II Administration: White House Chief of Staff (2006 – 2009)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Executive Director, Legal & Government Affairs (1994-99)

Gary Gensler:

Bush II Administration: Undersecretary, Treasury (1999-2001) and Assistant Secretary, Treasury (1997-1999)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and Co-head of Finance

Robert Rubin:

Bush II Administration: Secretary, Treasury 1995-1999
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman (1987-90)

Robert Zoellick:

Bush II Administration: United States Trade Representative (2001-2005), Deputy Secretary of State (2005-2006), World Bank President (2007 -)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Vice Chairman, International (2006-07)

William C Dudley:

NY Federal Reserve: Current President/CEO
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner and managing director – 2007

Stephen Friedman:

NY Federal Reserve: Former Chairman of the Board – 2009
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman, 1990-94; Director, 2005-)

Other Noteworthy Appointees:

Edward Liddy:

Current Title: AIG CEO
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Board Member (Chairman, 1990-94; Director, 2005-)

Duncan Niederauer:

Current Title: Chair/CEO NYSE
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Managing Director – 2007

Malcolm Turnbull:

Current Title: Federal Leader, Liberal Party, Australia
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner (1998-2001)

Mark Carney:

Current Title: Governor, Bank of Canada
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Managing Director Goldman Sachs Canada until 2003

David Watson:

Current Title: Monetary Policy Committee, Bank of England
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Chief European economist

Romano Prodi:

Current Title: Prime Minister of Italy (1996-1998 and 2006-2008) and President of the European Commission (1999-2004)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Paid adviser/consultant 1990 – 1993

Mario Draghi:

Current Title: Governor of the Bank of Italy (2006- )
Former Goldman Sachs Title: European Deputy Chairman/Partner until 2006

Massimo Tononi:

Current Title: Italian Deputy Treasury Chief (2006-2008)
Former Goldman Sachs Title: Partner 2004 - 2006

[Boxhead]

Heaven (I cannot believe I just typed that..) forbid that we let our children decide their own future...

[teamnelson]

Heaven (I cannot believe I just typed that..) forbid that we let our children decide their own future...

The only way they can do that is in the free market of ideas, exposed to ALL perspectives ... not just the liberal secular version alone. Only when you have all options can you truly say you are free to choose.

[gypsyman]

Oldshooter, my wife went thru this in just the last couple years. Best advice you can give your nephew. Keep your mouth shut, do the best he can, and don't actually confront the professor's. Here's the deal. A very small percentage of any college professors have ever lived in the real world. They really don't know what it's like to have a job for a private company. They either live off the world of make believe,(college's, or work for the govt, or a program subsidized by the govt.) If they actually had to get a job for a private company, they'd drop a load in their pants so fast it would make your head spin. They think that everybody is making $80,000- to $125,000 a year. Truth be known, if they took what they teach, and applied it in private industry, their salary would be cut in half. Now, with even more student loans coming form the Fed's, it'll get even worse. Maybe!! Don't think things will last long enough to make much difference. gypsyman

[DDZ]

A very small percentage of any college professors have ever lived in the real world. They really don't know what it's like to have a job for a private company. They either live off the world of make believe,(college's, or work for the govt, or a program subsidized by the govt.) If they actually had to get a job for a private company, they'd drop a load in their pants so fast it would make your head spin. They think that everybody is making $80,000- to $125,000 a year. Truth be known, if they took what they teach, and applied it in private industry, their salary would be cut in half.  gypsyman

If I didn't know you were talking about college professors, my guess would have been our public servants. It fits to a tee!

[wreckhog]

My cuz gave up defense industry contracting to teach. Income dropped by 90%, but so did the stress. Now he has a house on campus and walks to his office. Works 2 days a week and sees his kids a lot. Summers off. No idea what his political affiliation is, but his tech keeps you safe every day. Does not plan to ever retire.

[DDZ]

Here are some college courses that are offered at schools across the country. You can study Queer mobility at Occidental college for only $5,000. This sounds like a course that will make your son or Daughter well rounded.

At Gorgetown you can get the Philosophy of Star Treck.  You can get a course called Fem Sex at Charlton university for $4500. At Ohio State you can take a course called Harry Potter literature. At Cornell university you can take Tree Climbing for $500. Now that is a great deal there!

Another course at Occidental college is called Stupidity, only for $4780. At Ole Miss you can take a course on the study of Zombies. You wouldn't want your kid to miss that one. 
At Berkley you can take a course, and learn about a TV judge arguing with Judge Judy.
At MIT university you can take Video Game Studies.
And we question how Obama got elected. You can start by thanking some of these college's. Our schools are going to lead to the death of this country, and I think we are half way there.
Just kick God out of our schools, and out of our country a little more and it will be finished!

[wreckhog]

At Cornell university you can take Tree Climbing for $500. Now that is a great deal there!

It is a phys ed course. You know, like swimming. I believe Columbia has swimming as a graduation requirement.

Tree climbing would be real useful for local hunters and the Northern Tier of NYS has an early bow season. Most local bowhunters use treestands.

http://www.coe.cornell.edu/goto.jsp?course=COECAMP-TREE-SU10

[Oldshooter]

Yea a tree hugging climbing course would be beneficial if any body actually climbed a tree to bow hunt. Any bowhunters out there climb trees without ladders?

[eye shot]

My son inlaw is a nuclear Physicist professor at a small college close to Philly. He told me when he graduated from Florida State that he was going to become a professor he said they didn't have to work very hard. He has a two or three hour class a week and it seems he is home as much as he likes. He is very left wing! My wife says they never have enough money and I say, I wonder why. I said one day, with all these new electric cars we are going to have, we will have to build more nuk plants. Now mined you he is a nuclear physicist and he said oh no we need more wind and solar. Gee talk about cutting your own throat! The guy is very smart but I notice he wears loafers no shoe strings!

[wreckhog]

The colleges don't pay much salary. They subsidize housing, hire grad students, send people to conferences, pay for professional memberships, little stuff like that. Teachers publish papers and gain credibility in their field. Then private industry hires some to vet a couple of practical application projects related to their field and pays them a year's salary for a week's work. Which consists of reading the project plan and making recommendations.

[MGMorden]

At MIT university you can take Video Game Studies.

Video games recently outstripped movie production as the #1 money maker in the entertainment sector.  Blizzard Entertainment for example - as just one company, runs the World of Warcraft game which runs $15 per month to play and they have over 10 million subscribers (that's on top of the $50-60 startup cost to actually buy the game itself).  Do the math on that one, and that's just one online game of many that requires monthly fees.  That's aside from traditional sales.  

I wouldn't dismiss some of those studies so quickly.  I took a video game programming course myself in college and would have loved to have gone into that industry, but unfortunately it's pretty much all centered in California, the North East, and Japan.  Seeing as how I didn't want to leave SC, I had to pursue more business related programming opportunities.  Still, it's an industry that has a rep for requiring a lot of hard work, but the rewards are steep.

Like it or not, video games are a major new medium, and I personally see FAR more value in an interactive medium where you're involved in the happenings (and even have social interactions - my "guild" in Warcraft - for which I met online - met a year and a half ago for a barbeque - almost 30 people showed up who had never spoken to each other in person before).  Most of the railing against the games just comes across as old people set in their ways.  "Cane waving" as it's often called.

The reality though is that most of what you named there are extracurricular studies - electives.  Students pay to go to these schools - occasionally they want to study something interesting, and there are a certain number of "elective" credits set aside to take just such things.  If you think that having a Harry Potter lit course in the catalog means that everyone is taking only that though and not all the more mainstream literature, math, science, business, etc courses to go along with it, then you're being naive, and only selectively picking out things to take jabs at completely out of context.

[DDZ]

You are right MG, video gaming is big business in this country. Its just what this country needs for its future. A bunch of fat adults sitting around playing video games, and stuffing their face with potato chips. You can call me old and set in my ways, but you will never convince me that a new culture of people sitting around playing video games is going to benefit this country. I have seen kids and adults (20+) that can't stop playing these stupid games, its like a drug to them.
The course at MIT is not video game programing. Its kids playing video games and analyzing them.
Don't you find it disturbing that these schools are even offering these courses? These courses I'm sure are some of the worst and most idiotic, but isn't it kind of representative of what other garbage they offer?

I know that these idiotic courses are electives and everyone is not taking them. I didn't indicate everyone is taking them. I just wonder how many are electing garbage like this, from some of the product I see graduating from college. Also you will never convince me that some of these liberal institutions are beneficial to the future of this country. I will never drink the kool aid.   

Wreckhog, If you need to pay $500 to take a course in tree climbing so you can get your tree stand and bow in a tree to hunt. You probably shouldn't be climbing trees in the first place let alone hunting in one. I learned to climb trees when I was around 5 years old and it didn't cost a red cent.
If they offered a college course in common sense, now that would be priceless.   

[wreckhog]

You are right MG, video gaming is big business in this country. Its just what this country needs for its future. A bunch of fat adults sitting around playing video games, and stuffing their face with potato chips. You can call me old and set in my ways, but you will never convince me that a new culture of people sitting around playing video games is going to benefit this country. I have seen kids and adults (20+) that can't stop playing these stupid games, its like a drug to them.
The course at MIT is not video game programing. Its kids playing video games and analyzing them.
Don't you find it disturbing that these schools are even offering these courses? These courses I'm sure are some of the worst and most idiotic, but isn't it kind of representative of what other garbage they offer?

I know that these idiotic courses are electives and everyone is not taking them. I didn't indicate everyone is taking them. I just wonder how many are electing garbage like this, from some of the product I see graduating from college. Also you will never convince me that some of these liberal institutions are beneficial to the future of this country. I will never drink the kool aid.  

Wreckhog, If you need to pay $500 to take a course in tree climbing so you can get your tree stand and bow in a tree to hunt. You probably shouldn't be climbing trees in the first place let alone hunting in one. I learned to climb trees when I was around 5 years old and it didn't cost a red cent.
If they offered a college course in common sense, now that would be priceless.    

Most bow hunters are clueless and can't bag deer without a ladder stand on private land. The rest could not survive without a 4 wheeler. Some can do the hour hike on public land to get away from the crowds and scale a tree with minimal gear.

It is $110, and that is pretty much how I feel about a basic pistol safety class or any NRA class, yet the NRA still manages to convince people that they can learn more in a 1 day class than in an hour of reading. At least the tree climbing class is real. Some people are just suckers I suppose.

On  the other hand, how do you suppose people learn to develop better video games? Dream them? Or study them?

[myronman3]

well i will be damned.... i finally read something from wreckhog i agree with.   

[williamlayton]

After my first 1 1/2 years i was able to do a number of electives in several fields of study.
These were interesting and got into areas of my interest on a more detailed level than the general overview courses.
It helped me see that there could be studied differences of opinion.
I took three courses on the events and causes leading too the Civil War--one at the University of Texas. I created in me an understanding to study, on my own, too develope my own thoughts and come too my own conclusions---free of being told what some thought was "truth."
It helped me to read thoughts of people of reputation with whom i shared liitle agreement.
I had a goverment prof who was poles apart from my understanding and agreement. We butted heads for 4 courses and argued/debated in class.
I got good grades from him and we became fast adversaries.
He was a good guy--and smart---I had to really dig in his classes.
Blessings
 

[LabRat2k3]

I think the shift in colleges started around the same time as Vietnam. While many a good man was getting shot at in the jungles of southeast Asia the current professors and department heads were hiding in school to avoid having to serve. Their views haven't changed since they were the anti-establishment hippies of the '60s,but now we trust them to teach our children how the world works. Not all are bad, but some have never spent any of their adult life off of a college campus.

[DDZ]

For us to get this country back to what it once was, and to the principals the Founding Fathers put in place. We first have to know what these principals are, what sacrifices our Founding Fathers made, what this country once was, what the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of independence is.
 From what I see, Schools are not teaching this kind of knowledge any more. So how would we ever dream of getting this country back into the hands of we the people instead of our bureaucratic government.
I do not blame Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the socialists that think they know whats best for us. They are what they are. I blame the people that put them in place to do what they are doing. The reason we have socialists running this country, is because the people that elect them, have no knowledge of what America was, no knowledge of what it took to make it that way, and no knowledge of all the men that sacrificed their lives to make it that way. If people are not taught the truth, then what they learn are falsehoods.

I was talking to my Nephew last night, and he said a friend is taking a history class at a community college where he is attending. His friend told him that his history professor is teaching that all of the founding Fathers were deists. This is not the truth, but this is a small part of the kind of garbage that is being instilled in the minds of future voters. Again, if this country continues to tell God that he is not needed and is continually tossed out of our classrooms, and other public places you can expect this once great country to continue dieing. Many other countries have tried to emulate our Republic, but have failed. The reason for this is because the ingredient they left out was God. Our founders were Christian men who formed our Charters based on Christian principals.

Colleges in a sense do create good engineers, doctors, computer scientists, architects, lawyers and yes even video game programmers. Many of these jobs are very well paying jobs, and that is great, but really though, is America's future being taught the truth about things that really matter? As long as we have that nice shiny car in the driveway, or that big screen TV,  or a home three times bigger than we need, or all the food we need, or all the toys we want. Heck why would anything else matter, Right? This is the mentality in this country any more, and the voting masses show it.

There are many deceivers teaching at schools across the country, and if our young adults don't know they are being deceived, then most certainly they will be.     

             

[wreckhog]

Who takes history in a community college? Did you ever see Good Will Hunting?

[DDZ]

Who takes history in a community college? Did you ever see Good Will Hunting?

Evidently kids that don't care to take tree climbing. Also kids that want to get credits for their next two years at another school, and spend a lot less of Mom and Dad's money getting them.
No, I don't normally watch movies with the little puke Robin Williams staring in them.   

[williamlayton]

IF, and only, IF you are of a mind to seek the truth for yourownself do you take courses that make you dig and come to terms with the issues, do you take advanced courses.
Very seldom are you told what to believe but to study and report what you come too as final conclusions and how you got there and where the documentation is that confirms your study.
Overview courses are for the weak minded who want to be told what to believe.
Just as in life--you get out of it what you put into it.
Blessings 

[bilmac]

Labrat makes a good point, lots of draft dodgers went to college to avoid being drafted. Got their BA,s the war was still going, so they got their MA,s and so on until they were professors. Nobody would hire these egghead super liberals except academia, so now we have a whole flock of the least qualified polluting our youth

[nw_hunter]

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  Most of the railing against the games just comes across as old people set in their ways.  "Cane waving" as it's often called.


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CANE WAVING! " I resemble that remark"...........I like that. I didn't realize this young generation had a sense of humor!