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Offline Myerslake2005

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black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« on: January 13, 2009, 08:15:08 AM »
Now that hunting season is turning to a close.  Those of you who used the Black Horn 209 powder and the 25acp conversion have any trouble igniting the Black Horn in cold weather?  I'm thinking about getting my dad the conversion kit but I also want to shoot Black Horn Powder.

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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2010, 06:21:35 AM »
Was wondering the same thing.
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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2010, 08:50:09 AM »
As per the name blackhorn 209 and the powder maker you need to use the 209 primer with blackhorn powder. I don't think you'll get enough fire with the .25 acp

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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2010, 12:08:21 PM »
Yeah, that's what I've been getting.  No big deal I have thousands of 209's.  And actually I was kind of getting tired of dealing with the 25 casings.  If BH works for me, the 25 kit will be for sale soon!
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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2010, 08:36:08 AM »
I know it's an old post but I did try my 25ACP plug with BH209 in my Omega so figured I'd chime in.  It seemed to work OK in 50 degree weather, I shot about a dozen shots and thought i could sense some delay toward the end.  I have since sold one of my 25ACP BPs and kept the other JIC something new comes along.  I use BH209 exclusively with mag 209 primers and love it.

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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2010, 03:01:24 PM »
Myerslake2005

I use a 25 acp with a smal rifle mag primer and it works just fine with BH-209... I have not shot it in sub zero temp but I have the feeling it would be just fine....
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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 02:09:32 AM »
Haven't shot BH209, but mama's Sidekick will still throw a little bit of fire out the muzzle (empty) from the 25ACP...
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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 07:04:01 AM »
I have did some pretty extensive testing with cases of Blackhorn 209 and all types of ignitions (#11, .25 ACP, several 209), with several custom and experimental breech plugs over the last two years. 11 different 209 primers, with primer carriers, Full Plastic Jackets, DISC's, bare 209 primer pockets, o-ring lined primer pockets, concave, flush, convex, with and without vent liners, you-name-it. This would include the .25 ACP breech plug with standard small rifle primers, and small rifle magnum primers as well.

My findings are that the .25 ACP will ignite BH209, but there is a slight delay with small rifle primers. With the small rifle magnum primers, I can get better ignition with saboted bullets in moderate temperatures. When the temps start to drop into the colder ranges, the ignition starts to wane as well. I have had delayed/hang and mis-fires, even with the magnum primers in just +40 F degree temps with some bullets.

It gets to the point that I would never trust it on a hunt, unless I was starving, and I had no other option. In Michigan, the December Muzzleloading Season can find you with temps from -20 F (or worse) to +30 F (or warmer), depending on the year. I think you will find that Cecil himself would not recommend the .25 ACP for hunting with Blackhorn 209.

IMO, the .25 ACP breech plug is not reliable enough to stake a hunt on, even with the hotter small rifle magnum primers. If you are just punching holes in paper, then that is a different story. With Blackhorn 209, the hotter the primer, the better the burn. This also gives you more mileage (FPS) out of your powder, and less residue left over in your bore. One of the ingredients in Blackhorn 209 is sulfur, this can be corrosive, and even more so with substandard ignition. Another reason that Western recommends the hottest Fed 209A and CCI 209M primers. I too would recommend these 2 primers in most OEM 209 breech plugs.
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Re: black Horn 209 and 25 acp conversion
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2010, 09:43:38 AM »
I have used BH for about two years now.  Since your question asked about cold weather firing I have a comment.  This year while hunting, using 209 Winchester primer, I had a misfire.  I had loaded the gun the afternoon before and during the night the temperature got down to 20 degrees.  I suspect that the reason for the misfire was somehow the freeze the night before did something to the powder.

I will not leave my rifle loaded when I know it is going to freeze at night.  The memory of that big fat doe not 40 yrds in front of me and a poof of smoke has made this decision permanent.