i understand what i need, i just didnt know if one was a little better than the other, if you know what i mean...lol... i posted it here because i see many of you guys reload your own ammo. and figure i would start here. i thank you very much. oh by the way, if you guys got any recipes for some good shootin, let me know. i love this rfle, and a good buddy of mine was shootin with me, and i let him shoot it. at 200 yds. he hit the bowling pins, and fell in love. i tried to shoot his remington 22-250, and got close... hehe.. but very nice rifles.. brian