New Cannon Made By An Up And Coming Machinist

[JeffG]

What can I say that hasn't been said?  Very, very nice!!

[RocklockI]

Are those the same trinket like cannons you told me about that are for sale at the Vassa museum ?

400s buck iirc?

[dan610324]

yes they are sold at the vasa museum , pure sh 1 t
they probably had access to the drawing from the vasa museum of the museum reconstruction carriage
I guess that drawing is the most accurate drawing in the world for an early 1600 naval carriage , I was speaking with one person who actually was involved in the reconstruction of the carriage over 30 years ago.
he told me that they used all the original carriages and took the dimensions from them and found a middle value that they used .
all pieces with iron bolts and nails in the wood have been x-rayed to get the exact knowledge of dimensions and placement as most of the iron is gone and there is just oxide left , but its clearly visible at the x-rays .

what people dont know is that the wheels actually was laminated already in 1628
2 layers with the fibers crossed and hold together by slightly oversized dovels
I would guess they used some kind of glue also , but thats just my guess
resin and turpentine maybe , also just an guess .

[Cannoneer]

Dan,
You've got to try and get past the severe inhibitions that always seem to hold you back from expressing yourself freely. 

I knew the pictures of those barrels would light your fuze.   When I saw the rough casting, and the cheesy way that they were colored with the high points on the surface of the tube burnished, I just knew you'd be giving them a favorable critique.

I'm not going to bother sending them an email, what would be your guesstimate on the price of the full scale 'Danish Field Gun'?

[dan610324]

I dont know for sure , but a good guess would be close to 10 k
that little piece of "high quality" in my photos are approximately 400+

yeah I know that I got problems , but most of it is because Im so shy I think
maybe a shrink could help me  

Im not 100% sure as I havent seen the originals of the other barrels , but to 99%  Im sure that the originals have dolphins if there are some originals .
could also be just some new designed barrels in old style

in that time period all bronze barrels had dolphins , so I guess that they just removed them on their high quality exact scale models .
its almost impossible to make sand molds with dolphins , ok I have seen some bronze and iron castings made in sand with dolphins , but the quality isnt good

see the attached photos and judge by yourself .
its a friend making the carriages and shine the castings a little, the iron he paints

[Cannoneer]

Dan,
So are you saying that the bronze cannon shown in the above photos, is a sand cast barrel? What is the bore size and over all length of the barrel that your friend made?

[dan610324]

yes they are sand cast by a professional foundry
thats why you dont get any fine details

he dont make the barrels, they are bought from a foundry
he only makes the carriages and shine the bronze a little and paint the iron barrels

dont remember the exact dimensions ,
but I would guess approximately 3 feet long and a 1,5 - 2 inch bore

[Cannoneer]

Dan,
I saved the photo so I could enlarge it more, and I can see what you mean about the lack of fine detail, although it's not a bad looking barrel.

[dan610324]

but stll not nice compared with a lost wax casting where you can see details smaller than a hair

[Cannoneer]

but stll not nice compared with a lost wax casting where you can see details smaller than a hair

Beyond a shadow of a doubt, what you say is true.

[dan610324]

tried today to find any photos of nicely detailed castings on the web , but couldnt find anything really good .
so I just attach 2 of some nice lost wax castings from the web and 3 from my holy water bowl
its most probably made during the 17th century

[dan610324]

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[dan610324]

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[Cannoneer]

Dan,
The one supreme example of bronze casting utilizing the lost wax process that always pops into my mind first, is the jaw-dropping near perfect "Baldacchino" of Gian Lorenzo Bernini, in St. Peters, Rome. As I understand it, there are many present day engineers that have a contemporary expertise in bronze casting, who doubt that this accomplishment could be duplicated today. Baldacchino

[RocklockI]

yi ! that is something (what),never seen that B4 . I need more investment !

Gian Lorenzo Bernini .

[RocklockI]

Dan listen up ,here's the plan .

i'll try to make the cross on top AND the egg thinggage it is on .

You go ahead with the rest ...... 

[Zulu]

I'll carve the rest out of wood.
Zulu

[dan610324]

wow thats quite a bronze casting , never heard of it before.
must be one of the worlds most extreme castings .
those detail pictures are incredible

of course it wouldnt be any problem to duplicate it today .  
ok it would be lots of problems , but sure it would be possible to do it .
with a staff of a few hundred wax artists , same number of engravers , a hughe bronze foundry .
a large mechanical workshop , gold platers , free access of tin and copper .
and a lot of other experts that I forgot to mention here ,
and maybe 30 years time , but who would afford it ??  I dont  

I dont know but I would guess that a piece like that maybe takes 50 years to create
or at least close to that
many of those hughe chatedrals had building times on 100 - 200 years from start to finished church
 
I guess you need a few more bags of investment gary , at least 2   

start carving zulu , but be sure to document the build , the nextcomming 4 generations of carvers would like to know who made the first pieces 

its a hughe piece , but you could never guess how hughe if it wasnt for the people to the left in the picture
its more then hughe

[RocklockI]

Man talk about the Fire and Brimestone you could call down preaching under something like that .

looked like the accoustics would be awsome too .

[Cannoneer]

of course it wouldnt be any problem to duplicate it today .  
ok it would be lots of problems , but sure it would be possible to do it .
with a staff of a few hundred wax artists , same number of engravers , a hughe bronze foundry .
a large mechanical workshop , gold platers , free access of tin and copper .
and a lot of other experts that I forgot to mention here ,
and maybe 30 years time , but who would afford it ??  I dont  

"In the 16th century, Michelangelo came to the Pantheon to study its dome before he began work on the dome of St. Peter's (whose dome is 2 feet smaller), and the Pantheon's roof was stripped of bronze for use in Bernini's baldacchino in St. Peter's. In 1563, the bronze doors were restored."

The Pantheon is the most complete ancient Roman building still in existence, and all the bronze tiles that covered its roof, were stripped in order to supply Bernini with the metal to cast his triumphant altar canopy. I guess that achieving great art requires that great sacrifices be made.
Work was begun on the Baldacchino in 1624, and it was finished by 1633.

[dan610324]

just 9 years ??
thats incredible if you think that a good cannon could take up to 6 months to produce in the late 1500 to the early 1600

[dan610324]

I was looking at the floor now , what would it cost to create a floor like that today ??

[Cannoneer]

I was looking at the floor now , what would it cost to create a floor like that today ??

A lotta lira, paisano! Oh, that's Euros now, isn't it?

Since we're so engrossed in this ordnance discussion, I'm curious about this: When it was decided that Sweden was going to adopt the Euro as its currency; was there any significant amount of voiced public opposition, or did the majority of the population just accept it?

[dan610324]

we didnt accept it

[Cannoneer]

That's interesting.

[Double D]

 New Cannon Made By An Up And Coming Machinist...let's see if we can get back on topic...All this other stuff is interesting and could well benefit from their on discussion topics!