Author Topic: National Park Service, US Fish & Wildlife, taking over / Large areas of no game  (Read 418 times)

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Offline Sourdough

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First off yes I posted this in the Alaska Forum, but it needs to be here as well so everyone knows what is happening.

Was talking to a Guide this week about hunting and areas not to bother with.  We both agree, there is large expanses of land with no game what so ever.  I have crossed mountains and gone into valleys where there was not a track of Moose, Caribou, Sheep, or Bear.  Just an occasinal old Wolf track.  I've gone into the mountains in Febuary, after our last snow was in December.  There I found no tracks of any thing but birds.  No Moose, and that was surprising.  I spent three days looking for tracks and found old Wolf tracks and trails crossing the area.

I came back and questioned the biologist about it.  They just shrug their shoulders and say maybe the game moves out during the winter.  No that area is prime winter Moose habitate.  Go in during the summer and still no game.  Go there during the fall and no game.  The only thing I see is old wolf tracks.  The Biologist just shrugs their shoulders and say some areas just don't suport game. 

Talked with old guides, and old retired Biologist.  They tell me those areas used to be teaming with wildlife, back in the 60s and early 70s.  Back then the Guides and Natives performed preditor control in those areas.  The Guides would fly over the area during the winter and shoot the wolves they could find.  Then the state made it Illigal to shoot same day you are airborne, or to shoot from an aircraft.  The Natives for hundreds of generations had been taking short little willow sticks and sharpening the ends.  Then they would bend them into a circle and squeeze a ball of grease around it.  Then freeze the ball of grease.  They would make dozens of these grease balls and spread them out on the trails.  The wolves would come along and eat the grease balls, swollowing them whole.  Then after getting into the stomach the willow twig would thaw and straighten, sticking into the stomach or intestines.  Ultamately killing the wolf.  With few wolves in the area, the game, Moose, Caribou, and sheep, flourished.  It was easier to feed their families, and the dead wolves were picked up and the fur used to make clothing for the families.


Then the state stopped the practice by the Guides and the Natives.  The number of wolves exploded and the game numbers suffered.  Today it is not politically correct for the Biologist to point that out so they just claim ignorance.  And Alaska is rapidly becoming a big waste land of no game.  It's going to get aq lot worse, Mr we can't shoot those poor wolves Tony Knowles has been appointed to a high level position in the National Park Service.  So now the Park Service and the US Fish and Wildelife are attempting to take over the management of Fish and Game in Alaska saying Federal Law trumps state law.  They have changed seasons and meathods and means of hunting and trapping on Federal lands.  The federal government owns 74% of Alaska like they own large portions of other western states.  Look out Utah, Arizonia, New Mexico, and all the rest of you western states.  We are the test bed.
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Don't you have a 10 wolf per day limit?

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Sourdough, a very similar situation has played out with regard to salmon and other fish runs in various parts of the west.  Only in this case it isn't wolves that are the predators; it is sea lions and seals.

Back in the old days, the commercial fishermen used to carry shotguns on their boats and they kept the numbers of sea lions and seals to a minimum.  Then the federal government got involved and made it a federal crime to even harass the sea lions.  Now we have an extreme over abundance of these fish killing machines and the fish populations are in pretty bad shape.

The feds have allowed some controlled killing of sea lions, but only by authorities and only when they get to be a nuisance at one particular location (Bonneville Dam).  That does very little good for the rest of the waters where the fish come through on their way to spawning grounds.

The environmentalists think that you can have lots of cuddly sea lions and seals and lots of fish to go around.  That just isn't possible.
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Same thing is happening on the East Coast. There used to be no limit on striped bass. And the haul seiners would take thousands and leave whatever would not fit in the truck dead on the beach. Now there are seasons, limits and very limited commercial fishing. So now the waters are polluted with 30lb stripers, and the little fish like winter flounder and blowfish are gone. The morons that believe that gamefish should be protected are responsibe. Unfortunately that is my fellow fishermen.

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Wreckhog:  Wolves are extreamely intelligent animals, you take very few from the ground, in comparison to their numbers.  The only effective way is to shoot them from Airplanes.  Or methods like the natives employed back before the Federal Government got involved.  They are also turning more land into wilderness area as quickly as possiable to prevent anything being done there in the future.

Any time the Federal Government gets involved with wildelife management it turns out bad.  They think there should be lots of preditors, but fail to understand that it takes large numbers of pray animals to feed one preditor.  And if the pray base is not there the preditor numbers will falter, meaning no animals.  Look at what is happening to the area around Yellowstone.  10 more years there will be few if any Elk and Deer.  Then the wolves will learn how to kill Bison and they will go the way of the Elk.
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i wouldn t touch this thread for nothing..so i didn t do it if any illegal bait is found. hmm.slim