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Savage/Stevens .223
« on: March 30, 2010, 05:17:44 AM »
I currently have a NEF Handi-Rifle in .223 that has been my truck gun for some time.  It's an OK rifle - accuracy is acceptable and it works every time.  However, I am still thinking about upgrading to a Savage or Stevens (not sure which yet).  The thing is - my Handi rifle has the 1:12 twist, and I shoot a lot of 45 and 50 grain bullets through it.  Will a Stevens, with 1:9 twist, handle the lighter bullets, or will I need to switch to 55 grain and heavier bullets?

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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2010, 05:30:18 AM »
My Stevens has the 1-9" twist and shoots the 50 gr Vmax exceptionally well. It is my coyote rifle.


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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2010, 09:08:36 AM »
mine too is good with 50g bullets
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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2010, 05:59:22 PM »
I guess I'm just gonna have to buy one and try it out. ;D

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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2010, 07:00:44 PM »
my 1 in 9 savage loves 45 grn. wwb

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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2010, 01:04:58 AM »
Conventional wisdom says not to over stabilize a bullet (spin it faster than necessary). I think that today, the bullet quality is much better than the old days where conventional wisdom came from. Over spinning a bullet is not as big a deal as it once was. Imperfections in a bullet are magnified the faster you spin it, but if there are no imperfections in the bullet, spinning it faster will not make a bit of difference. When the 223 was developed it was for the Military and they wanted to shoot 55 grain bullets, so 1 - 12" twist was good for that bullet. Now days, people want to shoot very heavy bullets in their 223's, so manufactures have made 1 - 9" twist sort of a standard, especially in the "black" rifles. So there are a lot of factory guns with the faster twist. Savage has switched over to 1 - 9" in all their 223 guns. I think Remington is still 1-12" for their bolt guns. I have had a couple of 223 barrels built and I had them built to 1 - 14" twist, because I knew I would only shoot 50 grain bullets or lighter in them. You do not have that luxury when you buy a factory gun. As you can see from above, people have found that lighter bullets shoot well in the faster twist. Basically, with today's bullets, try it ;)
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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #6 on: April 01, 2010, 01:47:03 AM »
good post LaOtto. if a person was worried about overspinning could they load slower (less powder)?
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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #7 on: April 01, 2010, 03:02:07 AM »
Less velocity = less revolutions per minute (rpm).  Formula: 12"/twist rate X fps X 60 sec/min = rpm  A bullet traveling 3000 fps in a 1 - 12" twist is spinning at 180,000 rpm. A bullet traveling at 3000 fps in a 1 - 9" twist is spinning at 240,000 rpm. At 2500 fps in a 1 - 9" twist barrel, a bullet is spinning at 200,000 rpm. getting closer to the 1 - 12" rate barrel. So yes, less velocity = less spinning.

Another interesting note: when a bullet is spinning at a certain rate coming out of the barrel, it looses very little spin rate over the course of it bullet path. Even several hundred yards out. What does this mean? If it is stabilized coming out of the barrel it will stay stabilized through out its flight path, unless it is on the ragged edge of being stabilized in the first place. Just a word of warning; there are other factors that influence bullet stabilization, such as crown condition, how well the bullet is traveling down the bore (is it well centered and did not get distorted some where along it's internal path) are just a couple of things.

You might try to slow down a bullet, but personally I would load starting loads and work my way up watching for most accurate load. If you come to the end of the loading data (upper limit) and still have disappointing accuracy, I would switch bullets and try again. If you have a large cache of bullets that you must get to work, then using reduced powder loads would be a way to try too get them to shoot well. When reducing powder loads, you must be careful about which powder you are using. Some powders do not like to be under loaded - they tell you by having hang fires, wild pressure spikes, unexplained blown primers, poor accuracy, etc. If you are going to greatly reduce powder densities, use a powder that is known to be safe doing this. Good Luck and Good Shooting
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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2010, 02:06:48 AM »
so far 50g hornady and 64 g win have given best accuracy for me in my 1-9" stevens
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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2010, 06:09:54 PM »
hornady V-max 55gr,,and a hefty load of h335,,work's real sweet in mine,,,,their an awsome rifle,,especially for the price,,,,I'll probably by another one.

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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2010, 03:43:16 PM »
My AR with 1x7 handles 50 grain on up to 75's very well.............

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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2010, 08:39:51 PM »
An over stable bullet will show bad results at long ranges.  The bullet will end up flying nose up if you are shooting out to 300 to 500 yards, this will screw up it's drag ratings and cause it to have more drop than calculated, it may also cause it to shoot a slight curve because it is not flying directly nose first, but nose high.  More to worry about is probably whether the bullet will hold together and what the results will be when a highly stressed bullet finally hits something.  Larry
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Re: Savage/Stevens .223
« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2010, 07:33:20 PM »
I finally got in some range time with my new savage model 11 .223---45 grain sierra soft points shot into .6 group--and would have been tighter if it wasn't for the shooter--they were moving out around 3200 FPS---then the 50 grain sierra blitz bullets shot into around a .7 inch group-(around 2800fps)-all at 100yds--and would have shot better with a better person doing the shooting---and a better rest. With both bullets (5shot groups) several were touching making one rough looking hole--then one or two flyiers. (1 in 9 twist)

hope to try it at 200 yds shortly

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