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Offline don heath

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Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« on: May 30, 2010, 10:29:41 PM »
Sort term survival

I worked as an Ecologist for the Zimbabwe parks dept. I owned a 1964 landrover and was issued a 1946 vintage Piper cub. Both connived to make unscheduled stops  in interesting remote places at inconvenient times – especially as time wore on they wore out (they were pretty well worn out then I got them in 1982 and 1984 respectively).

However, at no point was I ever more than 3 days walk to the nearest help. And my ‘survival kit reflected this. I was also in the fairly unique position that if I shot say an Impala for dinner, ate the fillets and left the rest for the hyaena’s, I wouldn’t get into trouble for it.

Consequently my survival kit consisted of .
1)   My issue .F.N. FAL 7,62 rifle I always carried two mags of soft points, one mag of tracer and one mag of 220grn solids.
2)   My S&W M58
3)   A sleeping bag
4)   4 water bottles
5)   A 2lb pre mixed packet of pronutro (kiddies health cereal), pre mixed with full cream milk powder and sugar
6)   Two cups of rice in a small bag, a small bottle of olive oil, 4 stock cubes and a small packet of salt. – it is amazing how good a meal you can fix with one dove, some olive oil, rice and the local weed (Black jack). The oil is essential, as, along with some protein it helps you feel full and keeps you going on less than normal, and being able to brown the meat in the mess tin before you add the rice/ vegetable (black jack leaves) makes a world of difference to the taste.
7)   8 coffee bags
8)   Mess kit, and 3 means of making fire
9)   Normal small back pack with useful odds and ends- mainly para cord and torch…most unnecessary kit got ditched after I had carried it a few times.

Important considerations….A good, filling, tasty meal is essential after a survival situation starts- even more so if it has been slightly traumatic (Like a dodgy landing on too short a stretch of dirt road with a dead engine). Once you have got through the first night, still have food, and ammo and water, all looks a lot better and the ‘problem’ shrinks into proportion. Sufficient coffee to a) stop the caffeine withdrawal symptoms and b) make you feel good is also a great aid to helping one think through the problem and think of the best plan to get help/reach civilisation 

30 cal solids work great on game birds- guinea fowl and francolin-so do 9,3 solids for that matter. When hunting people, I used an air pistol to shoot doves to supplement the rice- in a survival situation noise wasn’t an issue and I could spend a little more time ‘hunting’ for food.

These days I simply carry 1 American MRE in my hunting pack

Longer term survival.

4,5lbs of rice,  1pint of olive oil and some salt coupled with bird lime or an air pistol will keep a man adequately fed for 1 month. Just weighed it-  11lbs with a tin of 250 pellets. Add my ‘normal’ survival/hunting kit plus S&W 60 and 24rnds, my .308 plus 80 rnds and a thin sleeping bag  I am carrying 41lbs. That is (just)  more than is comfortable.     

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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2010, 12:54:06 AM »
 I'm curious about the tracer, Don. What would you use it for?
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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2010, 03:05:17 AM »
Tracer...good for starting fires and even better for distracting bad guys. Strange fact but people tend to focus on the tracer going by not on the man firing it. Also most unpleasant confrontations occur at night- in daylight an observant man see and avoid trouble- at night it tends to find you...and again- if you focus on where your tracer is going you can adjust your fire and bad guys invarably shoot at where the tracer ignights (20-30m infront of the muzzel) rather than at the muzzel flash.

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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2010, 08:32:57 AM »
I have wondered about the tracers as I have seen them mentioned other places, thank you. What is bird lime? eddiegjr
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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2010, 02:52:18 PM »
I carried every third round a tracer when I was workin marijuana patches in the Red River bottoms in my younger days. Just be aware you can burn something down in dry areas, or buildings.

If I'm serious about layin low, and travelin light, I take a 6X8 canvas tarp, 2 solar blankets, a canteen, bow drill, zippo & spare fluid, a good sheath knife, a good pocket knife, 1 rail road flair, couple cans of smoked oysters, compass, small home made first aid kit, with book matches and a 2 1/2 inch magnifying glass, a Leatherman multi-tool, sample bottle with Vaselined cotton balls, leather boot laces, a small led flashlight, along with the small pressure red led on my medical alert necklace, a magnesium fire starter, 20' of nylon 3/8 inch rope wrapped around the flair, a large trash bag, and all this except the tarp,  will fit in a fanny pack. A small day pack will carry everything mentioned along with spare ammo, and more food. I carry my canteen in an old possibles bag.
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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2010, 11:58:26 AM »
Minimal survival kit?

How hard would it be to have a hat (in cold, mtn country?) that had many survival items hidden or carried within it?  One likely item would be cordage in the form of a braded hat band of parachute or similar cord.

Also some fish hooks and line under tha headliner.  But what other items could be ingeniously squirreled away?  Including a compass?  Matches?  Small but working magnifying glass?  A flint or ferrocium-type fire starter?  A whistle for signaling?  A blade or knife?  Snares?

What do I carry?  Not as much as I SHOULD or could.  Good thought-provoking thread!

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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2010, 09:00:11 PM »
Bird Line...sticky as hell paste made from the local type of cactus. You spread it along the branch where you have watched birds frequently landing...they land, get feet stuck...flap, get the goo  on their wings...fall...have one dove for dinner.

To a large extent this is why you see malnourished children in Zimbabwe but no 'walking skeleton' immages that you see comming out of ethiopia- The people are broke, average income is around US$ 5 per month, most are too stupid to plant on time so get pitiful yields and for 40 yearrs relied on Government hand outs of grain...so when that stopped, they were in trouble- but any peasant can catch a few birds- the black jack (h. Biedens) is one of the most common plants everywhere - from the desert in the west to the mountains in the east and is is at least as nutritionally good as spinach. Fruit is abundant....If you really do starve to death you have to be a moron.

But! Panic induces illogical reactions. Back to my point on enough food for a couple of good meals and enough coffee to keep me sane. If you panic, or make poor decisions you can die quickly in a land of plenty. I picked up two good bush men (white guys experienced in the bush not proper San 'bushmen').  TBC

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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2010, 09:06:29 PM »
Continued...

Plane came down in the desert about 40 miles from my house. A day and a halfs walk at most. They had some water, but no food. They both had rifles. They left the plane and set offf, according to the note left, to shoot some food and if possible walk to my place.

I found the plane two days later from the air- a truck was there withoin an hour and they found the note. We found where they had shot an eland...but hadn't used it... four days after they came down we found their bodies. They had left their knives in the plane and hadn't been able to open the eland to get either meat nore the water in the stomach. They had got disorientated and walked in circles-  they had used water at too great a rate by walking during the day. No one mistake was fatal...the combination was. Have a good meal, some coffee , enjoy a pipe (i don't smoke at all these days unless something has gone wrong and I need to think hard...) Sleep on it, and make a discision over morning coffee!

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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2010, 03:29:32 AM »
The environment I live in is very humid. I carry hand sanitizer. Never use it for it's intended use. But the little 1 oz bottle has many fire starts in it. Also several forms of fire starting along with a small candle. A rat 5 knife and leatherman multi tool. Some little snares. Some mono and hooks. Pack is a camelback water holder. Change of clothes and a poncho and liner. In winter a sleeping bag is on the bottom of the BOB.

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Re: Survival kit ...how much do you carry
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 02:48:23 PM »
Couger - interesting idea that I hadn't really considered. I've got an old boonie with pull-down earflaps and an external pocket on the side. The pocket was made to carry a face mask for turkey hunting and has a snap flap for security. I'm thinkin' a guy could secure a decent pocket kit and numerous other items behind the earflaps and in the pocket; need to pull it out and see what I can come up with
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