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375 JDJ
« on: June 02, 2010, 07:44:45 AM »
Hello Guys.  I have a few questions.  I am considering my next barrel purchase and enjoy the opinions put forth here.  I currently have the following.  A 15" 7-30 Bullberry pistol,  21" 7-30 Custom shop Bullbarrell.  A 16" .223 Carbine and a 16" Custom Shop .22 Match and a 14" .22 Match.  I have two frames one I use for Carbine the other for pistol.  I think I have most game up to Deer/Hogs covered.  Have taken several of each with the 7-30 in both pistol and rifle and very happy with it.  I am thinking my next Barrels should be 375 JDJ any opinions?  45/75 is just to much dang recoil for me to enjoy.  I have a .44 Mag in a lever gun and and Ruger Super Blackhawk.  Had one previously for my tender and was not impressed for what it was.  I think with the 375 JDJ I will have all North American Game covered.  Any Opinions?  :) 

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2010, 08:10:32 AM »
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I have a .44 Mag in a lever gun and and Ruger Super Blackhawk.  Had one previously for my tender and was not impressed for what it was.

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Hello IMO,

I was just wondering why you weren't impressed with the .44 Mag?   ???  I absolutely LOVE my 12" .44 Mag!  It shoots 240 gr XTP's at over 1700 fps and it has proven to be a very effective killer!  I have killed hogs, bear, and coyotes with .44 XTP's and they work great; death comes quickly.  


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I think with the 375 JDJ I will have all North American Game covered.  

The .375 JDJ is enough gun for any animal on the planet and is an effective performer...an excellent choice IMHO.  Have fun deciding!  

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2010, 08:20:31 AM »
Nice Darrell very nice.  It is hard to argue with success and I do agree that the .44 is very effective.  I have two .44s and I am very happy with them.  I guess I miss spoke/typed.  I should have said, I think there are other choices for the tender that I would be happier with.  I killed a few hogs with my .44 Mag TC but have a 6 shooter in that Caliber and I consider it a short to Med shooter.  I think I want something more of a Med to Longer range shooter.  150 yards max.  I really dont expect to take shots over that. 

I have the same grips on my Contender and LOVE them. 

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2010, 08:27:54 AM »
I understand better now.  I just thought that you were saying that you had problems "killing" with the .44 Mag Contender.  I understand what you are saying now.  Not trying to get us sidetracked, but what bullets did you use in the .44 Mag on hogs?  What size hogs were they and how did the bullets perform?  I'm always trying to learn from other shooters! 

I HAD a .375 JDJ until just a couple of months ago.  I sold that barrel because I'm having an XP-100 built in .376 Steyr.  That SSK barrel was a tackdriver though...I'm afraid I'm gonna regret that move.   :(

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2010, 06:06:48 PM »
I know some of the smokeless 45-70 loads can be down right "snappy" in the pistol barrels. I have a 14" with muzzle tamer on it. I mostly just shoot blackpowder out of it at the range. Those loads are for giggles only, and are easily fired one handed.  I haven't fired a 375 JDJ yet, but I'll let you know when I do (I have one coming soon). I think based on your comments on the 45-70 (I assume you didn't truly mean 45-75 and it's just a typo), you may not want to get the 375 JDJ without a good brake on it, at least in a pistol. I don't know if I'd want to fire one as a 5 1/2 pound rifle, may not be much fun either (without a brake)? Maybe with a really good recoil pad.

Ballistically, there's nothing you could run up against here in the US that you couldn't flatten with the JDJ. Some African countries regulate the taking of dangerous large game (like elephant or cape buffalo) to a minimum bore diameter of a .40 cal rifle, so for that reason only, I'd say the 375 JDJ may come up short in Africa. But no problems other than that.

I would have no qualms about squaring off to an elk or bear with a 375 JDJ, especially if you're limiting your range to 150 yds. I think you could easily double that range and still flatten anything in the US with it.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2010, 08:04:01 PM »
Having had 4 SSK 375JDJ barrels since the early 80's that I shot thousands if not ten of thousands of rounds through over the years I can assure you it is just about as much fun as you can have with a Contender (the close second IMO is a 17 Ackley Hornet).

African game and the 375JDJ?   JD and his hunting cronies took something over a dozen elephants and I don't know how many cape buffs with it to test it on dangerous game in the early 80's when the 375JDJ came out.   I still have an old SSK Newsletter JD sent me full of specs and pictures and stories about the 375JDJ in Africa.    One is about a charging elephant stopped at less than 18 paces by a 300 gr solid with a frontal brain shot (bullet found in the neck about a foot behind the skull).   Another a cape buff frontal heart shot at 45 yards with a 300 gr FMJ that penetrated 5 feet.   Anything that will kill a cape buff with one shot will definately kill anything that walks the earth.

That said, I think most people that are afraid of the 375JDJ are those with no experience with it.   I pushed mine pretty hard as a handcannon junkie and only shot 270, 285 and 300 grain bullets whether my dangerous game was elk, bear or prairie dogs, usually with a full dose of powder to push them.   With Pachy Decelerator grips they were a pussy cat to me, and I probably shot as many if not more one-handed as two-handed.  I often "plinked" with them like most folks would with a 22LR.

The 45-70?  JD also gives the 45-70 the credit it derseves by saying it is in a class of its own and the best 150 yard sledgehammer for hunting available for the Contender.   He used 500 gr solids for Africa's dangerous game and 400 gr for everything else.    I wouldn't try to push a TC factory barrel as far as he will his premium barrels though.   Loaded down it is also quite tame to shoot.

By definition, a handcannon is 35 caliber or larger (perJD), but with lots of them the bark is worse than the bite.

Probably worth about what you paid for it...  :D

Larry

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2010, 12:28:00 AM »
Darrell I use Win 240 gr JSP usually have also tried 240 gr Federal Hydroshocks (to much expansion) with my .44's for hogs.  I find the JSP work best.  Hogs really are not hard to kill.  Its all about shot placement.  I usually take head shots because I dont want to mess up meat.  My lease is loaded with hogs and we kill everyone we see.  Last year when the water was high we killed 54.  I can usually kill one anytime I want.  I find some rooting and throw out some corn.  Come back a few days later and viola!  Pork.  Really more killing than hunting with all of them down here especially when the water is high and they are forced to the ridges.  They are real pests. 

I have never shot the 45/70 in my Contender.  I had a 45/70 in a Marlin Guide Gun and it was not much fun to shoot.  I can shoot my .44's all day.  I duck hunt and shoot cases 3 and 3.5 12 ga through a pump.  So recoil is not usually a problem for me but man that gun would give me a headache after a few shots.   :o   Maybe I need to get a 14" 45/70 for my Contender to try.  However I am going to be getting myself .375JDJ I have now decided.  Any recomendations on what I should be looking for (pistol/rifle or both  ;D ) and should I get one with a brake or without.  Thanks for all the input.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2010, 03:11:15 AM »
Thanks for the details on the .44 mag loads.   :)

My idea of the perfect .375 JDJ rig is a 15" SSK vent rib barrel with arrestor brake.  Good luck with whatever you decide.   

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2010, 04:35:17 AM »
If you can find the article Gun Test did a comparison on big game calibers for the Contender and  they chose the 375 JDJ. Interesting article, may answer some of your questions.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2010, 06:25:43 AM »
Picture is of the last four SSK JDJ's I bought, all of them with full length T'SOB vent ribs.
257JDJ with Arrestor, 6.5JDJ, 309JDJ and 375JDJ with 4-slot MagNaPort.   

Bought the 4 as a set in as new condition from Ed, so I couldn't specify or none of them would have had a muzzle break.   The 375 is plenty loud enough without a break, and in my opinion it rfeally doesn't need one.   They throw 15' fireballs at night and shake the dust off rafters as is without needing to stir up any more commotion.

I'd had many SSK JDJ barrels over the years, but these were my first with the full length T'SOB ribs.   I took the pic when I first got them to give an idea of the problems I ran into mounting scopes with the ribs.   I had a dozen matching SSK T'SOB rings of two configurations that came with these barrels to mount my scopes, but neither style ring would mount any of my 1" scopes high enough for their objective bells to clear the rib.   No chance at all for any of my Burris scopes, and not even a little Gold Medal 2-7X.  For the picture I used TPC 30mm scopes, a 4X Silhouette, two 6X and the 1.5-4X I had already planned to put on the 375JDJ (it came off 375JDJ barrel #3).

Have fun with your 375JDJ when you get it.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2010, 04:55:02 PM »
What is the benefit of the T'SOB ribs?  Nice looking barrels.  I will keep my eye open for a SSK.  Thanks for all the input guys.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2010, 01:56:54 AM »
SSK offers both full length and quarter length T'SOB scope bases for their matching T'SOB rings (3 rings included with either - extras available).    The full length is designed as a rib for the look, although some may argue it also aides in cooling the barrel (I never saw any differance in that between my rib verses no rib JDJ barrels).   

An SSK 15" stainless full rib barrel with Arrestor starts at about $660 and can go over $700.   However a 15" stainless barrel without the Arrestor and just a quarter rib T'SOB and rings would start at about $490.   So you'll have to decide if the brake and look of the full rib is worth $170 plus to you.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2010, 03:16:38 AM »
I agree that the vent rib is mainly for looks but it is also an incredibly tough mounting system.  I didn't have any trouble mounting a 2-7 X 32 scope on my barrel.  Like always, I used "high" rings but that is mainly for more "thumb room" around the hammer.  My suggestion is to look for a used .375 JDJ in the classifieds here or on gunbroker.  They show up all the time.  Just as a reference...I recently sold my stainless 14" magnaported SSK .375 JDJ barrel with full length vent rib, a set of dies, and 50 once fired brass for $400.  That's alot cheaper than a new one! 

Good luck in your quest!

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2010, 04:37:47 AM »
Picked up my first 375 JDJ barrel a month or so ago..  Finally got a set of dies last week...  Hope to shoot it soon...  Ordered a ported 15 inch 378 GNR Encore  barrel last week...  Gary said expect it to take about 3 weeks to get here.   Looking for a good 375 GC bullet mold for them...  I'll post pictures when I get rolling.. I run T'SOBs on my FA revolvers and love them...  Reeder recommends, and I ordered, the Leupold DD base and rings for the 378 GNR..    I have questions about grips and forearms I'll put in another thread...

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2010, 04:29:58 PM »
Just my luck Darrell!  I would have bought yours in a min for that price.  Oh well I will keep my eyes open.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2010, 05:37:55 AM »
I'm well aware that many have no problem with a good deal of recoil. I can say I did not like the 375 on the Contender platform. I would classify the recoil as being a whole lot closer to your 45-70 than a 7-30 Waters or 30-30.  I replaced it with one setup for an Encore frame and am very happy with it. It is of course heavier than the equivalent Contender setup to carry but soaks up recoil at the same time.

Not to change your mind but if you want something with more power than the 7mm and 30 cal class cartridges there are always the 35s. I really enjoy a 35 Remington: common barrel, knocks deer flat, usable on elk/moose, decent range (flatter shooting than straightwall 44, etc.) and considerably less recoil than the 375. Again not to change your mind though as if you've got your heart set on a 375 you'd better do it or you'll regret not doing so.

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Re: 375 JDJ
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2010, 04:45:57 PM »
 :) Thanks Ed.  I think I will give the 375 a try.  I will look for a deal on a used barrel and then if I dont like it will sell or trade it off.  I dont often sell though I usually just stick them in the safe and move on to the next one. 

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