FITTING RIFLE BARRELS

[LOWCOAL]

I HAVE A HUNTSMAN .50CAL AND WAS WONDERING IF I COULD HAVE IT FITTED FOR A VARIATY OF CENTER FIRE RIFLE BARRELS. I DO KNOW THAT AT THE TIME I BOUGHT IT, IT WAS ALSO OFFERED IN A .50CAL / .243 COMBO SO TO ME IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ASSUME THAT YOU GOULD FIT OTHER CENTER FIRE BARRELS TO ITS FRAME. I WOULD BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY INFO. THANKS

[quickdtoo]

Welcome! The combo Huntsman comes on and SB2 rifle frame which is required for the 243 barrel, the normal Huntsman comes on an SB1 shotgun frame which H&R will only fit shotgun, 357mag and 44mag barrels to as long as it was made 1987 or later. And just an FYI, they may not do so until Remington changes their policy, see below.

Tim

   CW, you are correct, if the Huntsman has been registered with form #4473 with the BATF.  What I was saying is that with out the #4473 form, we can only fit muzzle loader barrels to a Huntsman frame. The Huntsman is not a legal firearm unless it is registered with the BATF. So anyone sending in a Huntsman frame for other than muzzle loader barrels must also send a copy of their BATF registration or we will refuse to install other barrels for legal reasons.


                                                                                                                      Brian@Remington:

[OldSchoolRanger]

quickdtoo,

Was the combo Huntsman (.243 & .50Black Powder) SB2 frame marked differently from the regular .50 cal BP Huntsman frame?

The reason that I'm asking is because in Brian56's quote, he stated: "CW, you are correct, if the Huntsman has been registered with form #4473 with the BATF.  What I was saying is that with out the #4473 form, we can only fit muzzle loader barrels to a Huntsman frame. The Huntsman is not a legal firearm unless it is registered with the BATF. So anyone sending in a Huntsman frame for other than muzzle loader barrels must also send a copy of their BATF registration or we will refuse to install other barrels for legal reasons."

Aren't all Huntsman .50 cal BP guns made after the 70's (AL series serial numbers), "legal firearms", which require form #4473? I thought I had it down pat, but now I think I'm thoroughly confused.

[quickdtoo]

I dunno how the combos are marked, someone that has one will have to answer that, I've never even seen one, the modern Huntsmans aren't legal to hunt with in muzzleloader season here in Washington. Any of the pre'87 Huntsmans that could be fitted with centerfire shotgun barrels would be considered firearms, all SB1(late '86 and later) Huntsmans are firearms as well.

Tim

[Busta]

quickdtoo,

Was the combo Huntsman (.243 & .50Black Powder) SB2 frame marked differently from the regular .50 cal BP Huntsman frame?

The reason that I'm asking is because in Brian56's quote, he stated: "CW, you are correct, if the Huntsman has been registered with form #4473 with the BATF.  What I was saying is that with out the #4473 form, we can only fit muzzle loader barrels to a Huntsman frame. The Huntsman is not a legal firearm unless it is registered with the BATF. So anyone sending in a Huntsman frame for other than muzzle loader barrels must also send a copy of their BATF registration or we will refuse to install other barrels for legal reasons."

Aren't all Huntsman .50 cal BP guns made after the 70's (AL series serial numbers), "legal firearms", which require form #4473? I thought I had it down pat, but now I think I'm thoroughly confused.

OSR,

I don't have one of the SB2 Huntsman Combos, but I have handled several. There were 3 different Huntsman Combos, all blued. There were 2 different SB1 combos, and 1 SB2 combo. The SB1 combos had either a plain 12 ga barrel, or the Tracker II 12 ga barrel along with the .50 cal muzzleloader barrel. The SB2 combo had a .243 barrel and a .50 cal muzzleloader barrel. They look just like a blued SB1 Huntsman, with the color case hardened receiver and walnut stained hardwood stock. If you know how to tell the difference between a SB1 and SB2 frame, you can find out that way.

All the late .50 caliber Huntsman muzzleloaders are 4473 firearms, were not made before 2001, and can have other barrels fitted to them. The SB1 frames would be limited to shotgun/muzzleloader barrels, and up to REM, possibly some of the pistol caliber/low pressure rifle barrels. They do put the .357 and .44 barrels on SB1 frames. The SB2 frame could be fitted with any barrel, but it doesn't mean that REM would do it.  The .45/.58/12 ga Huntsmans were made back in the 70's, and were not 4473 firearms, they have a large flat firing pin, and H&R would not fit other barrels to them.

Personally, I think most of this is above big green's comprehension level. I'll leave it at that.

[cwlongshot]

quickdtoo,

Was the combo Huntsman (.243 & .50Black Powder) SB2 frame marked differently from the regular .50 cal BP Huntsman frame?

The reason that I'm asking is because in Brian56's quote, he stated: "CW, you are correct, if the Huntsman has been registered with form #4473 with the BATF.  What I was saying is that with out the #4473 form, we can only fit muzzle loader barrels to a Huntsman frame. The Huntsman is not a legal firearm unless it is registered with the BATF. So anyone sending in a Huntsman frame for other than muzzle loader barrels must also send a copy of their BATF registration or we will refuse to install other barrels for legal reasons."

Aren't all Huntsman .50 cal BP guns made after the 70's (AL series serial numbers), "legal firearms", which require form #4473? I thought I had it down pat, but now I think I'm thoroughly confused.

I sympathize. That post was made confusing by some miss information.

The huntsman is the same shape and style frame as all other H&R/NEF firearms. Key word FIREARMS. Forearms require the form 4473 to be filled out since its inception in 1968. The gun store or FFL holder is required to keep these forms on file and make them available to the BATF as part of the requirements of having the FFL licence.  99.9% of gun owners do not have a copy of this form. Asking your dealer for a copy will be met with some rolled eyes and mumbles under their breath to near refusal. You have a shot if you ask for a copy at the time of purchase. For anyone sans the BATF to request a copy of that form is an exercise LUNACY! Its simply nonsense. That was my point in responding to Brian back in that thread. (I have been selling guns in shops for over twenty years)

Now back to the frames, The SIDEKICK was brought out in an effort to get around this and some states laws about related firearms converted to muzzle loaders. The frame of the sidekick is physically smaller from the hinge point to the recoil shield where the breech of the barrel sits. These DO NOT REQUIRE a 4473 because there is no way to affix a factory barrel to them.

CW

[PHATINJUN]

My Huntsman Frame is Nickel and the bbl is SS 2002 model. It is a SB1 Kurt

[garbhead]

Just received a 45 Huntsman I bought off the internet...looks like an SB2 receiver to me(since it is skeletonized) did they offer combos with the 45's and rifle calibers?   Looks like a slip-in breech plug w/o nipple....prob been in there from day one.........ughhhhh

[quickdtoo]

Garb,

That's not an SB2 frame, it's a 1976 cast iron frame, there's a matte nickle frame with the same kind of voids, a lot different than an SB2 alloy frame, see the pics in the FAQ.  There were no SB1 or SB2 frames made before the end of 1986, they had an entirely different SN prefix, prior mfr were all cast iron.

Tim