458" cup point bullets

[Dinny]

Anyone know a source of .458" cup point bullets? I have heard they are tough on vermin when their cups are filled with heavy grease (hydrostatic/hydraulic shock??). Would a regular hollow-point work just as well when filled with a heavy grease? What I need is something that will enhance expansion at low velocities. Any ideas?

Thanks, Dinny

[Castaway]

Just curious, what are you shooting and what are you shooting it out of?

[kynardsj]

Could you fill a hollow point with wax ? Wouldn't be near as messy as any kind of grease. I know the devastation that my 300gr HP 454 Casulls and 350gr HP 500 S&W mags do without any help. You must be wanting to blow something up pretty bad with a faster expanding 45-70 bullet.

[Dinny]

I need a reduced-noise load for shooting vermin raccoons that local farmers have damaging their crops. Anything that can assist in rapid deaths from a reduced velocity load is greatly appreciated. This is for a 45-70 handi rifle.

Thanks, Dinny

[Kmrere42]

Hi Dinny,


The 45-70 is way overkill on a critter like a raccoon and could ricochet a long distance after passing through the body.  Use a .22 with CCI stingers or Rem Yellow-jackets.

A center-fire option would be any 224 cal with Hornady's 40gr V-max at around 2200fps



If you need a larger caliber, go with a 38 special and use a max load with a double ended wad-cutter in a rifle.


BTW, The grease will not stay in the nose and would just make a mess.



Paul

[Smokin Joe]

Dinny, why don't you try the collar button with a light charge of Unique?


http://www.westernbullet.com/ly4gr6.html

[Reverend Recoil]

A lead round ball loaded with Unique of Red Dot powder should be good for dispatching raccoons.   Simple, cheap, and not too loud.

[Smokin Joe]

Actually, the Lyman Gould bullet works rather well, especially if you fill the cavity with your choice of contents and use an inverted cap or primer on top.   




http://www.westernbullet.com/ly4gr8.html

[Dinny]

Thanks guys for the ideas. I'm gonna try a few of them and see how it works.

Thanks, Dinny

[kevinsmith5]

What range are you planning on going after these coons at?  I've used everything from a 45-70 collarbutton at 1100 fps to a .177 8 gr pointed hard pellet at 850 fps (head shots). THey're not especially tough critters.