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Just to let you guys know
« on: June 21, 2010, 02:33:20 PM »
From a Controversial Newb here ,You guys do a wonderful job of representing this sport .
After years of scoffing at Bow Hunters ,i finally broke down and bought a Matthews Drenalin.
I stand corrected in every way.  In fact ,i am now infected with a bug that i can not seem to shake !
I buy broad heads of all types  ,Arrows  from the finest makers in the USA.  I even milled out a mount from billet aluminium for a Streamlight ,because the other guys were using duct tape !
I went nuts and made a picatinny rail mount ,and replaced my peep sight with a red dot , Laser combo.
Did it all work to my lazy behalf ? NO , i still needed to practice and read what you guys write here to be able to be a Bow Hunter.
Great Job Guys.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2010, 04:54:37 PM »
DO YOU LIVE IN KANSAS, I NEED SOME CUSTOM WORK DONE LIKE THAT MYSELF?
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2010, 05:36:00 PM »
Oh my wife says i should patent that. If you look ,no one i can see offers a completed set of Bow mounting systems.
Sorry ,as to the the Capitalist i am, as to who does this as an art . Talk to me .
But Money only corrupts.
Got any Chickens or Turkeys ?
Pics coming .
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2010, 07:44:00 AM »
I agree free is better. Can you post some pics of your handy work or email them to me? Curiosity is killing me, and me being dead over a bow thing might P*&S off the wife, and we don't want that trust me LOL....
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2010, 03:47:24 PM »
Big Nasty, i have been thinking about doing just that .
Im going right now and take a few pics of my Bow with the Bling Bling all over it .
Seriously Big Guy ,if you think it sucks ,tell me .

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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2010, 05:00:25 PM »
Ok ,what your going to see ,so i don't have to explain it in the pics.
A mutable mounting system i am building for a friend in Texas.
Streamlight mount ,Vertical and Horizontal adjustments for windage and elevation.
Most red dot sights come with an adjustment for this ,but a Bow is a lot different than a rifle is when it comes to sighting.
Radical adjustment is done with my equipment ,and it is very light.
Fine adjustment is done with your prefered sight or scope.
Acceptance of a Laser sight is more than possible ,as long as i have the intended equipment specs before milling the mounts for that.
The flashlight mount is the key ,it mounts where your normal peep sight would mount.
And a peep sight is usable with this mount if that's the way you wish to go.
Also ,a lot of my friends' are using my mounts ,to accommodate a , http://www.lasergenetics.com/
Attached to the Bow you eliminate the need for a Light ,a sight .and a range finder.
Even in daylight ,being a green laser, focused down it will show up at over 300 yards no problem.
The Bow, just entered the 21st century my friends'.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2010, 07:39:35 PM »
Large files ,and this is with a Sony Machiva camera so bear with me .
Big Nasty ,your the Mod ,so you may want to shrink these down a tad .

Looking on without the main mount.


Streamlight on , cover in up position.


Opposite side ,with NR -3  laser designator mounted to main rail.



With quiver in place ,showing no interruption of Bow systems.


Red Dot mounted on main rail



Looking through.


Little yellow rings are for elevation , used with the gear driven elevation knobs.
They are graduated at 20 yards each.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2010, 06:13:05 AM »
If that were only legal in all 50 states, you could make a mint.

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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2010, 07:20:58 AM »
Yep it's cool, but I would be in jail. Now it would be awesome to have when I go to Texas hog hunting.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2010, 08:38:50 AM »
I believe a flash light is ,is not regulated by itself . So far after searching have found no mention about the Discriminator /Designators .
Finestine tried to ban them about a year ago ,but the bill never got off the ground. Her reasoning was what had happened to the Riot Police in the country's of Greece and Iceland .
Ill leave it at that ,a cop buddy of mine when i asked him about that ,went ballistic over the very thought of it happening here .
Besides ,a lot of people are interested in a set up like this as a bug out defence , and our own military has looked into the cross bow because of its silence and lethality.

Dont believe for one minute that Obamgo isn't looking real close at the compound Bow guys. Silent,accurate , and as deadly as a 30/06 rifle.
New laws are coming soon about how a proper broad head should be constructed , a three inch gobbler can leave a very nasty mess.
Look at the new Mathews and the Hoyt line ups , they are starting to use the self defence words now . Heretofore a thing no Bow manufacturer would have ever uttered.
Lets not pull each others pants legs here ,we who own a compound Bow know exactly what that Bow is capable of doing. And standard Kevlar is no defence against a broad head.
80 to 120 pound pulls and higher ! That isn't an arrow ,thats a ballistic missile in the wrong hands . Switchback Bows are what felled the Roman Empire from horseback.  Two things strike fear into the hearts of those who will possibly be on the front line one day.
That is the 45/70 cartridge ,and the Broadhead.   The American Hunter /Patriot ,has always been a very resourceful little SOB.

But on the other hand, a red dot is soon not going to be regulated ,because it is only a kin to the peep sight.
Its the Lasers that they are forming a defiance against ,especially the Designator ,for a kinder ,gentiler term now being used.
Instead of being called a Discriminator as they first were ,the problem with them as the left see's it is .
They can blind the intended game on contact ,making them worse than spot lighting . Plus they are a sighting tool all at the same time.  
When they won in court saying they were a different form of night vision , they won on the merits that it was a night sighting device .
They resemble a common flash light .But take your sight into your own hands if you look into the end thinking its a mag light.
Even the smaller NC-3 ,will produce heat slightly  ,when shined on the palm of your hand.  The heat isn't what damages the rods and cones.
Its the light spectrum a Laser uses that damages ,it is a Radiation like all light is ,only much more concentrated .

This gives way to users complaining about having a headache after using one of these for a long period of time ,and not even looking into the end cap. Distanceing themselves from the firearms market place , for obvious reasons.
The compound Bow slipped under the wire here ,and is a far more suited for this device. In fact it was found the two go hand in hand.
The shorter range's being involved ,and the precise sighting of a Bow had made huge advances during the 1990s.
Imagine still ,placing a small green dot on a target without so much as having to aim. Incorporate a range compensator which you see they have now . You get the picture now real fast ,add to that a common RUV filter ,and the game will not see the laser unless it is directly focused into  its eyes. In other words ,you would not be able to do a Pink Floyd Laser light show for your friends ,at your next BBQ ,and be able to see the beam like you do now. Which would be a real blast by the way ,but its also illegal ,and it makes the neighbour's call the cops telling them they think aliens have landed.

WARNING : if you ever buy one of these ,in the box you will find a VERY stern warning from the Feds about using these around Aircraft .
They will come get you ,and be VERY mean to you trust me on that one .As they should ,that is just not a good thing at all ,and you would deserve an ass kicking. And they are includeing vehicles in that now also ,so its all a matter of time before an idiot does something we all pay for.
Don't think for one minute these Lasers are not being considered as a class III devise real soon .
Also know that they are incredible battery hogs for sure. So you would need a couple of spares with you if you ever use one.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2010, 08:50:50 AM »
OMG ! take a look at this beast ! http://www.lasergenetics.com/nd3x50-laser-designator.aspx
I can barely handle my older ND-3 ,  Output power at 50mw ? Guys in laser talk ,thats some incredible power.
What they are not telling you is ,you do not need any other sight than this ,or illumination device  at all.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #11 on: June 25, 2010, 09:01:04 AM »
Not legal in FL
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #12 on: June 25, 2010, 09:13:05 AM »
Not legal for hunting ,and your law says nothing about Laser illumination. Only Laser sights .
It says no flash lights ,no mention about an illuminator which is NOT a flashlight.
Its been beaten in court guys ,its all in the wording . I can have an illuminator in the dark when i am so afraid of being attacked by Yogi or Boo Boo !
They do not want to call attention to these things ,better get one while they are available because im sure that will soon change.
50mw ? if they can do this on a focal beam with a thing the size of a flashlight .What can they do on a real scale ?
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2010, 09:20:52 AM »
Spot lighting isn't legal.  Shining your car headlights across a field in a careless manner while turning around will get you a ticket.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2010, 09:57:48 AM »
Awwww ,Shucks ,those guys over at Libtard .com are way to smart fer me !
How about if a feller mounted the peep sights from an AR15 ,or a Sharps rifle to a rail ,that my quick gear dive devise would do all the elevation computations ! And they are a much more advanced sighting system than peeking through a ring mounted on the Bow string .
One model i made does the elevation through clicks with the indicator , no not chicks ,although that is on the Horison ! You want 140 yards ,you click it six times and your done. Move the selector ,and click six times and your back where you were real fast.
At that distance ,your faster than using the little pointer's  ,as with most Bow sights.
Lasers as illumination are not covered under spot lighting period ,YET .
They are covered under designators and that is all.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2010, 10:38:26 AM »
A flashlight is a flashlight.
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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2010, 02:54:07 PM »
You are so right  ,i stand so corrected.  



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Re: Just to let you guys know
« Reply #17 on: July 11, 2010, 05:39:13 PM »
Cohort, here in Montana the whole set up is illegal as clearly spelled out in our regs, heck even lit nocks are out during the archery only season.  Now duing the general season, its anything on your bow that is legal.