Author Topic: Barrel Inserts? (Read 3545 times)

dougk · « **on:** May 15, 2010, 03:30:30 AM »

Does anyone have a source for a barrel insert for a 16ga drilling?

Are there any manufacturers to stay way from?

thanks
Doug

RB Rooson · « **Reply #1 on:** May 15, 2010, 03:37:13 AM »

I am also interested. Can you get a rifle caliber insert for a 12 gauge? Thought I saw something like this years ago, but then again I have been known to imagine things.....

pastorp · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2010, 04:49:14 AM »

dougK, look at the used market. Krieghoff would be the prefered brand.

I know a fellow that was selling some a few months ago. If your serious PM or E-mail me and I'll give you his contact info.

Regards,

dougk · « **Reply #3 on:** May 18, 2010, 12:27:10 PM »

I found a Krieghoff 22 mag insert.

Should I get a 22 lr insert as well?

Doug

pastorp · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2010, 05:16:24 AM »

Sure,it will be cheeper to shoot.

Regards,

jebb45 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 12, 2010, 03:46:07 AM »

Any one interested contact...........www.mcace.com.......or....lilred@sinbad.net.........he will fix you up ................

Drilling Man · « **Reply #6 on:** July 12, 2010, 07:11:41 AM »

Krieghoff inserts are a world apart (read better) compared MCA inserts. The Krieghoff inserts are a precision made insert, that shoot like a decent bolt action rifle.

DM

trotterlg · « **Reply #7 on:** July 12, 2010, 07:59:04 AM »

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The Krieghoff inserts are a precision made insert, that shoot like a decent bolt action rifle.

Why do I have a hard time believing this? Larry

Drilling Man · « **Reply #8 on:** July 12, 2010, 02:05:35 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on July 12, 2010, 07:59:04 AM

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The Krieghoff inserts are a precision made insert, that shoot like a decent bolt action rifle.

Why do I have a hard time believing this? Larry

Probably because you don't know any better...

DM

trotterlg · « **Reply #9 on:** July 12, 2010, 07:41:22 PM »

Could be, but something stuffed into a shotgun barrel must have some Magic associated with it to shoot like a good bolt gun does. Larry

Drilling Man · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2010, 03:49:08 AM »

Quote from: trotterlg on July 12, 2010, 07:41:22 PM

Could be, but something stuffed into a shotgun barrel must have some Magic associated with it to shoot like a good bolt gun does. Larry

I say "precision", you say "stuffed", and that's the difference. You obviously have never seen or used a Krieghoff insert.

DM

trotterlg · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2010, 06:44:34 AM »

I may lack some experience with barrel inserts, (although I have machined up a few of them) however you likely lack experience with what a good bolt gun can do. Suggesting that a shotgun with a barrel insert can equal the accuracy of a good bolt gun is quite a streach, sounds like something straight out of the marketing department. Barrel inserts are a fun novelty, anyone interested in them should try one, but I wouldn't take one to a BR shoot. Larry

Drilling Man · « **Reply #12 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:14:26 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on July 13, 2010, 06:44:34 AM

I may lack some experience with barrel inserts, (although I have machined up a few of them) however you likely lack experience with what a good bolt gun can do. Suggesting that a shotgun with a barrel insert can equal the accuracy of a good bolt gun is quite a streach, sounds like something straight out of the marketing department. Barrel inserts are a fun novelty, anyone interested in them should try one, but I wouldn't take one to a BR shoot. Larry

Hmmmm, i "right now" own a Anschutz, (2) Remington 541-S', (2) 540XR's (one that i i shot small bore with and won several matches with) and a few others... I think i know how a bolt action 22 shoots...

Back to the thread... You NEED to get your hands on a Krieghoff insert, and THEN come back and tell us what you think, cause it's NOT something you just "machine up a few", and they sure as he!! aren't a "novelty". They ALSO aren't of BR accuracy, and i never said they were, but the do shoot about like a "decent" bolt gun...

Now, you can keep suggestion i'm a lier, OR you can get your hands on one of the inserts, and LEARN something about what you are talking about.

BTW, i DO know what i'm talking about, because i still have a few of the inserts here, as i use to sell and install them.

DM

trotterlg · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2010, 01:26:21 PM »

I would sure never call you a lier, but leading some here to believe they can get bolt action accuracy out of a shotgun barrel insert isn't very accurate. Perhaps showing what accuracy you do get out of your different types would allow people to make an informed decision if they are worth the cost or will do the job they have in mind for them. Larry

pastorp · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2010, 07:26:44 AM »

Larry, your swimming up-stream on this one. I've seen the pictures of DM's groups shot out of his beloved Krieghoff diliing with the insert in place. If you quit arguing & do a search you too can view the targets.

By the way, my Krieghoff drilling with Krieghoff insert shoots very well also. JMO

Regards,

trotterlg · « **Reply #15 on:** July 14, 2010, 08:54:53 AM »

OK I did a search for his groups posted and got this:

I would think you could reliably say that a barrel insert could shoot as well as a good break action rifle can shoot, but that is sure not as good as a good bolt gun can shoot. Now my turn for a target, 100 yards, first five shots of the day, this is a good bolt gun but not great, Savage 10 in 17 Remington. My guess it that it is like comparing apples to oranges, if his picture still existed. Kind of sorry that I ever said anything here, but to say a break action shotgun with a barrel insert in it can equal a good bolt gun is probably not totally accurate. In the future I will limit my comments to things related to my Savage 24. Larry

dougk · « **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2010, 05:32:17 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on July 14, 2010, 08:54:53 AM

I would think you could reliably say that a barrel insert could shoot as well as a good break action rifle can shoot, but that is sure not as good as a good bolt gun can shoot.

Trotterlg,
Drilling's are hunting rifles and barrel inserts add to the functionality of this gun. Why are you comparing barrel inserts to a bolt action rifle?

pastorp · « **Reply #17 on:** July 15, 2010, 04:25:24 AM »

dougK, to be fair to Larry it was DM that made the comparison........Lary took exception to that comparison.

My drilling with the 22mag insert will shoot squrril head size groups at 40yds or so. More important it will put that first shot in a squrrils head if I do my part. And dougK you are exactly right, all I'm looking for is hunting accuracy. My old JCHiggens bolt gun will do the same so to my way of thinking DM is correct in his statement.

Larry no doubt is thinking bolt target guns shot off a rest.

One other observation is that everyone has a opinion based on their life experience, It does little good to argue with anothers opinion.

blessings,

trotterlg · « **Reply #18 on:** July 15, 2010, 03:57:11 PM »

I will probably stay away from the dirllings discussions from now on. I do have a nice Savage 24 30-30 over 20 gauge, but not a drilling. I would agree that a high end barrel insert in a drilling will probably equal the accuracy of a mid range break action rifle or a low end bolt gun. What I did disagree with was the statement that a barrel insert in a drilling would equal the accuracy of a good bolt gun, and I think that statement was clearly not accurate. Where I shoot, there are people who do to a dime what I can do to a quarter, those are "really good" bolt guns. I do like reading about these things, and I have built several, evan made up a 22 Hornet for a 12 gauge that coupled the ejector into the Hornet insert to eject the empty, a fun but really labor intensive project. Have fun guys, I will go back to BoltLand now.

Larry

pastorp · « **Reply #19 on:** July 15, 2010, 04:12:29 PM »

Larry, I think you really should stay. I believe we all can learn from one another..

Regards,

Drilling Man · « **Reply #20 on:** July 15, 2010, 05:35:00 PM »

Quote from: trotterlg on July 15, 2010, 03:57:11 PM

I will probably stay away from the dirllings discussions from now on. I do have a nice Savage 24 30-30 over 20 gauge, but not a drilling. I would agree that a high end barrel insert in a drilling will probably equal the accuracy of a mid range break action rifle or a low end bolt gun. What I did disagree with was the statement that a barrel insert in a drilling would equal the accuracy of a good bolt gun, and I think that statement was clearly not accurate. Where I shoot, there are people who do to a dime what I can do to a quarter, those are "really good" bolt guns. I do like reading about these things, and I have built several, evan made up a 22 Hornet for a 12 gauge that coupled the ejector into the Hornet insert to eject the empty, a fun but really labor intensive project. Have fun guys, I will go back to BoltLand now. Larry

A decent bolt action 22WMR with hunting ammo will shoot about 1" groups at 50 yards... My Krieghoff 22WMR insert with hunting ammo will do that or better. Some 22 bolt guns are better than that, some Krieghoff insert bbls are better than that...

As for your comment about break open gun accuracy: Do you think bolt guns have a monopoly on accuracy? OR do you think all of them are like the Savage 24's?? Either way, like with Krieghoff inserts, you need more education on the subject... lol

And, yes those can be repeated!

DM

trotterlg · « **Reply #21 on:** July 15, 2010, 06:12:26 PM »

I was going to politely go away, but I guess I need to do just one more if we are dipping into the archives. This will be hard to beat, the group is smaller than your bullet is. I am gone for a while now. Larry

pastorp · « **Reply #22 on:** July 15, 2010, 06:19:59 PM »

Larry, are you going to share the gun & load you shot that with. And was it off a bench or in the field? Just posting a small group without the details really proves nothing. Did you notice DM s group was at 200yds?

Regards,

Drilling Man · « **Reply #23 on:** July 15, 2010, 06:31:02 PM »

Quote from: pastorp on July 15, 2010, 06:19:59 PM

Larry, are you going to share the gun & load you shot that with. And was it off a bench or in the field? Just posting a small group without the details really proves nothing. Did you notice DM s group was at 200yds?

Regards,

I wonder if that was with a "big game" rifle, with moose loads?? Mine was... If not, i guess i could post some of my old BR loads, from my old Shilen action/Heart bbl. 6x47, or my old BR rifle chambered in .222 Rem. Those measure in the .190's @ 100 yds...

BUT, i guess i made my point, and there's NO egg on my face...

DM

trotterlg · « **Reply #24 on:** July 15, 2010, 06:48:40 PM »

I am SHOCKED! Drilling Man shot a smaller group with his bolt gun than he did with his barrel insert. Wonder how he could have done that? The bug hole was really shot with a break action NEF with a 17 Remington FB chambered Clerk barrel stubbed into a Shotgun breach end, kind of like a permanent barrel insert without the barrel around it.

If it was shot in the field it would have been one hole in a Coyotes eye. Sorry guys, it's not much fun here, back to the real world for me. Larry

Spanky · « **Reply #25 on:** July 15, 2010, 07:05:12 PM »

I've got a 357mag insert for my 12ga. single shot... it'll shoot a 4" group at 25yds... is that good?

I tend to agree with Larry on this one. The groups from the drilling are good but I've seen alot better from mid priced bolt guns.

Spanky

Drilling Man · « **Reply #26 on:** July 16, 2010, 04:45:31 AM »

Quote from: Spanky on July 15, 2010, 07:05:12 PM

I've got a 357mag insert for my 12ga. single shot... it'll shoot a 4" group at 25yds... is that good?
I tend to agree with Larry on this one. The groups from the drilling are good but I've seen alot better from mid priced bolt guns.
Spanky

So have i, many times......BUT, that doesn't take away from my origional statement, that the Krieghoff inserts shoot about like a decent bolt action gun... Of course, i assumed everyone would have the brains to realize that the inserts are hunting tools, not BR tools. Otherwise i would have said: They shot as good as a BR rifle...

But that's OK, those here that aren't trying to start something, already understood my statement right from the beginning...

DM

pastorp · « **Reply #27 on:** July 16, 2010, 09:01:18 AM »

Well, I've never really enoyed the target games really always being a hunter at heart. I do put my rifles on papper to sight in & shoot groups for load developement but once I get the gun sighted in or a load developed I just leave it alone. I've always been a hunter, pure & simple.

I think it must be a boreing day on the bench rest forum so someone decided to try stirring the pot on the drilling forum. As DM said drillings are hunting guns and while we like good hunting accuracy we don't expect benchrest accuracy.

JMO

regards,

Spanky · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2010, 11:40:12 AM »

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the groups from the inserts in DM's gun... they're damn good groups. I'd be very happy with groups like that at 200 yds.

Spanky

Drilling Man · « **Reply #29 on:** July 20, 2010, 12:15:20 PM »

Quote from: Spanky on July 20, 2010, 11:40:12 AM

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the groups from the inserts in DM's gun... they're damn good groups. I'd be very happy with groups like that at 200 yds.

Spanky

  Just to clear this up... The above groups are not from inserts, they are from the rifle bbl. on the gun that shot the groups.

  The Krieghoff inserts i sold would shoot about 1" groups at 50 yards or better. They are adjustable, so as to be sighted in to the sights of the gun they are fit to, then they lock into place, and ALWAYS come back to zero when they are put back into the bbl. they are fit to.

  They were designed for hunting, and they are more than accurate enough for that purpose...

  DM