Mexicans

[wreckhog]

The 12 gauge Aguila minishells 1 3/4" slugs I mean. Not, that ain't a typo. Went to the range for about 15 minutes after breakfast. 7/8oz 1250 fps. Kicks less than a 20 gauge slug. Dirt cheap. First 2 shot from my Pardner (28" mod bead sight) were touching the bullseye at 25 yards offhand. Then one got stuck (this gun sticks with some ammo), and the rest were more like 3-4" away. Still minute of a deer. Then I burned up half a box of 38's to get some empties to reload with new bullets. Nice morning.

[PowPow]

wonder if anybody has made their own 1-3/4's with birdshot, cutting down some std hulls and wads?
it would be interesting to make something that others can't readily buy.
Should work in a handi or a double gun.

[spikehorn]

Where do you get these and are they available in 20ga? I've been asked to mentor a 14 year old who wants to deer hunt but is recoil shy because his idiot grand father decided this boy should be man enough at 8 years old to shoot at 12ga with a 3" turkey load in it.

[wreckhog]

These boxes I got at a Wounded Warrior flea market last weekend. Gave $10/box of 20. Seen them at gunshows and online for less. Not that much less push than a 20 gauge. None of that snap up that the Sluggers give ya. I hate shooting 12s normally. These were fun in a tshirt with a buttplate and no pad.

[PowPow]

Where do you get these and are they available in 20ga?

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=162922

apparently they only come in 12.

[spikehorn]

The lightfields I shoot in my Trackker II 20ga are pretty easy on the recoil and I have 20ga USH thats quite a bit heavier than the tracker II so I think that will be a good combination for him.

[Rayzor]

These sound like a interesting prospect for a youth deer hunt. Anybody have details if these slugs carry enough energy for a humane kill on a black tail? figure a 50 yard max shot.

[bikerbeans]

I bought an old Lee Loadall II to load the Lyman sabots in the birdshot wads.  They shoot fairly well from my 12 ga.  I then started cutting down hulls to increase the magazine capacity of my 500 Mossberg.  This is my home defense gun so, very short shots therefore I figure the reduced velocity isn't a big deal.  My 500 will hold  (5) 3" shells in the mag. plus 1 in the chamber.  I was able to max this out at 10 shorties in the mag. and 1 regular round in the chamber.  The gun will cycle okay if you work the pump just right, other wise it is jam city.  I went back to 3" loads of buckshot in the Mossberg and let my 1911 keep the scatter gun company.

I also loaded some shorty birdshot shells and some 69 caliber round balls.  You pretty much have to use just 12 ga. plastic gas checks, no wads to get the round length to less than 1.5"   If you roll crimp the rounds I think they will feed in a pump pretty well.  You need an overshot card to roll crimp the birdshot, but not the slug or round ball. Also, the 69 cal. round ball is undersize in a 12 gage bore.  I was shooting the shorty rounds with Winchester WSF in the 15 to 20 grain range.  I shoot WSF @ up to 28 grains with a 1.2 grain Lyman sabot in a regular length hull.

I also loaded paintballs into shorty shells with only a 209 primer for propellant.  I don't reccommend this on a gun that you like; the 500 still has orange paint seeping out of the action.

BB

[mcwoodduck]

I have seen the Aquilla slugs and there are a 6 count of 00 buck loads.
I thought the 1.5" was neat and it would turn my 8 shot pump gun into a 15 shot.
Reading further they say it will only work with the Winchester 1300 guns all others need to be modified.

1.5", 2" and 2.5" were common european lengths.
I have a 2.5" (65mm) side by side and purchased shells from RST for it.
Great guys to deal with.  they hunt and shoot.  The shells work well.
I have purchased a few cases from them and will do so again when I run out.
But if you are looking for a place to get hulls for your pet projects here is a place to start.
I also spoke with Mec a few years ago and asked if they could set my Size master to 2.5" and they said they could.
They just had to drill another hole.  If you look your machines have two holes 2 3/4 and 3".
I think it still may be easier to just buy the few cases a year I shoot from the guys at RST than try to work up loads.

www.rstshells.com/shotshells.htm

[PowPow]

The last couple of posts offer a new question. WHY?

Since my 870 is now the property of some POS drug dealer, I did not consider the add'l shells in the mag.
If I need infinite shots, I will buy the Jimmy Stewart model Winchester 73.
Also, talk of "magazines" is blasphemy in the NEF forum, right?

The thing that interests me is the idea of soft loading a shot shell for say a "condominium backyard" load, but I suppose you can soft load the regular 2-3/4" length. Anybody tried that?

[mcwoodduck]

Hunting is hunting.
Recoil is recoil.  X heavy thing at X speed will give you Y recoil

There are two ideas of the shorter shells.
1) smaller payloads at the same shotgun speeds.
2) same payloads as the space is not needed for the black powder just make the shell shorter.
I have tried to make smaller loads in 20 ga to save $ and make a 28Ga type shell.  Whe i was shooting a lot and lead went througth the roof.
never thought to make the shell slower than 1150 - 1200 FPS. to reak birds or hunto with.
The 1200 FPS is kind of standard and I have my swing set for it.

Sorry for the Magizine talk.  But I really can not see the advantage of a short shell in a single shot.
I see the advantage if you want to stick two 1.5" in the place where one 3" shell sits.

[wreckhog]

I also loaded paintballs into shorty shells with only a 209 primer for propellant.  I don't reccommend this on a gun that you like; the 500 still has orange paint seeping out of the action.

BB

I think that you just prompted next weekend's activities. Were these paintballs in a shot cup?

[bikerbeans]

in a shotcup, primer only & cutdown hull.

[myarmor]

Give or take the short comings about them, it's nice to have the option. I have seen them but haven't personally shot much of them. Nice offering though, I would pick up some..........




-Aaron

[Graybeard]

I got a new flyer yesterday from Midway and saw the slugs you mention listed. They say velocity is only 381 fps. Where did you get the velocity you list for them?

[bikerbeans]

GB & Wreck,

Below is a link to an article on the Aquila Minislugs.  It lists the same slug velocity as Wreck posted.

BB

http://www.fourten.org.uk/mini_shells.pdf

[bikerbeans]

GB & Wreck,

You are both right on the velocity numbers.  The Midway velocity is meters per second.

BB

[wreckhog]

Nice article. Thanks.

[wreckhog]

My 870 Express (28" vent rib mod tube bead sight) was not feeding them well, but no prob snap shooting a grapefruit size target at 25 yards. Tracker 1 not so good, needs sighting in. Switching to dove loads in the Tracker 1 made me think that I dropped in magnums by mistake. Owwwwww.

[Airsporter]

I got a new flyer yesterday from Midway and saw the slugs you mention listed. They say velocity is only 381 fps. Where did you get the velocity you list for them?

Current listing shows 1250 fps. 

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=738518