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Offline jimmyp50

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Gene Ingram knives
« on: August 15, 2010, 04:11:30 AM »
growing up in the 60's and hunting since I was a boy I still have a buck 110 folder that is on its second reincarnation being replaced by the factory at no charge once for me breaking the lock. The steel is soft but takes an edge well and had cleaned more deer than honestly I can remember.  About 3 years ago I bought one of those buck mini alpha hunters because at my age the 110's blocky handle was giving my hand cramps during the skinning process.  Its an OK knife the handle feels better in my hand.  Then someone said "get you a Gene Ingram skinning knife in D2 steel" which I find a long wait for and a lot of money for a knife.

Other than having a good reputation in the knife business, what ergonomic and design features make this knife worth that much money?  Just wonderin..
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Re: Gene Ingram knives
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2010, 12:01:21 PM »
I use Queen pocket knives with D2 steel for wood carving.  It is a toolmakers steel that takes an incredible edge and holds it well.  It can be tough to sharpen properly.  I use the Razor Sharp wheels on a 8" speed contol grinder.  I have always thought it well worth cost involved for setup.  Then again I carve, my brother in law does the skinning.

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Re: Gene Ingram knives
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2010, 10:12:46 AM »
A lot of the $$ in a custom knife is the name on it, to be honest.  Pride of ownership is a BIG thing with custom knives, just like it is with guns. 

Don't get me wrong, there is a LOT of skill and craftsmanship that goes into any handmade blade.  There are custom blades from smaller makers as good as anything you get from a BIG name, except the price tags.  Almost all custom makers get their steel from the same suppliers, have the heat treat done at the same place, etc.  There are only so many places available.  Some makers do it all themselves.
Depends on how much you want to spend a lot of money.

Any steel with a decent amount of carbon content can be a great knife steel.  It depends on the heat treat more than anything else. 

Good carbon steels are 1075, 1080, 1095, 5160, O1, W2, L6, A2, SK5, 15N20, and D2.

Good stainless steels are 440C, AUS8, AUS10, ATS34, ATS55, CPM154, ZDP189, 12c27, 13c26, 19c27, VG1, VG10.

You could talk to Joel (moderator for this forum) about it.  He's a custom maker and very knowledgeable.  He won't toot his own horn very much, do I'll do it for him.  I've seen pictures of his work and it's first class.

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Re: Gene Ingram knives
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2010, 02:56:53 AM »
I think the best reason for buying a custom knife is that you get one ground to your liking with an excellent heat treat; both these factors can turn a knife from a simple tool to something that's a pure pleasure to use.  I think performance is the top reason for anyone buying a custom.  One of most frequent comments I get from my customers is," God, that thing is sharp! We just did (4,5,6) deer with it and it just kept cutting."  It's supposed to.  That's what happens when a knife is done right; something that factories can't or won't do because it costs money(can't sell it cheap at Walmart) and time.  Once in a while a factory, Case for instance, will offer a knife in better steel and better fit and finish, which requires skilled labor to do, and the price goes up into the hundreds of dollars.  They have to pay a craftsman rather than keep the ol' machine running.  A second factor in buying custom is getting something that doesn't have 5000 exact same clones; although that can vary.  I use a lot of natural handle materials, and even on the same model the difference in grain/contrast/wood type sets it apart from others. Factories who use the same materials make sure you may them what you'd pay me. Even some of my synthetic stuff is made by me and other makers (denim/canvas/burlap etc); part of  the reason for doing that is to get away from the ubiquitous black plastic/micarta/glass look. The cost of one, Gene's prices aren't particularly high compared to others, is based on one person doing just about everything, except often the heat treat.  This involves creating a design, buying the raw materials, buying the machinery/materials used to construct one(belts ain't cheap), making or paying another person to make the sheath(leather ain't cheap either), somehow advertising it(which can cost), and finally shipping it. The labor can run from 15 to 40 hours...try dividing the cost of your custom(made from "everyday" materials by the labor hours sometimes.  I don't bother anymore; it's depressing. All this is done by one person.  One skilled person.  Oh, then paying the electricity bill that comes from running all those drills, grinders, band saws etc.....and(God help us) making a profit.  Greedy devils.  Never mind those car/mortgage/utility bills and so on that full time makers(which isn't me) have to make like every other person.  Trust me on this, we don't charge enough for what we make.  If I were to demand union machinists pay(among the other skills I've had to acquire), most folks couldn't afford one of my blades.  So there's a compromise in many cases.  Some makers do insist you pay that price and that explains, often..not always, the price of their knives.   And so on. The bottom line is I aim my products at those who demand, and can afford, performance/durability/looks/individuality. Just like some people acquire a custom rifle, or custom furniture, or a high performance car.  There are those who can't(or won't) spend(or actually save) their money to own these sort of objects, because after all you can buy 10-15 cheap blades from SMKW for the same price as a custom. As far as they're concerned it suits their needs and that's why the(few remaining) factories stay in business.  Not to mention our foreign friends.  Just be good at frequent sharpening and don't bend them too much, unless they're a quarter inch thick:).

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Re: Gene Ingram knives
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2010, 02:02:07 PM »
Joel,   I'm fairly new (not age wise) on this forum.  I make knives via stock removal and do my own heat treating.  Just work on them when I feel like it.  As a result I have many projects under and on the work bench.   I noticed on other forums guys are selling "custom" knives but I recognize the blades as being commercially available from the knife supply houses.  They sell their "custom" knives for about the same price that I have sold my handmade knives.  Actually, I have  given most that I made to sons, brother, brothers-in-laws and friends.  I just have a problem with folks calling their knives "custom" when using a store bought blade.

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Re: Gene Ingram knives
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2010, 06:23:00 PM »
Yeah, I see that around here, especially at gun shows and at the permanent, indoor flea markets.  Strangely(to us) enough, in Britain and Europe is perfectly ok for one person to make the blade, another the handle and another the sheath.   It's just that they state who the blade maker/sheath maker is.