Has Anyone Used This On a B/C?

[ultramag44]

I know @ this price it cannot equal an Axtell sight, but is this sight loose, sloppy or real junk?

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=167&styleId=770&partNum=RS-CREED-3-WE&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1&as=1

I was thinking of putting a false tang on a B/C and using this.  Thoughts, opinions, praise, rants?

[gcrank1]

This question comes up fairly regular; Ive messed about with that sight, its OK for casual use but if you envision making windage changes often it has limitations. Note that the opposing screws at the base are NOT windage adj., but for 'tuning' the staff to a true verticle after mounting. You do windage by loosening the eyecup and sliding it a bit L or R, not very precise.
You can mount it to the wood of the wrist, no 'false tang' is required. Inlet it in or mount it on top. If you inlet remember the stock through-bolt hole is down in there.
Its a cheap sight, some are sloppier than others. Most everybody gets a better one and then what do you do with this one? If a cheap, casual, traditional looking sight is what you want, it will work.

[Smokin Joe]

I used the taller one which is 5" I believe. Gcrank is absolutely correct in his assessment.

I had to open the aperature up to .055 (if I remember correctly), but you'll have to try it for yourself.

It's a real bitch without the windage screws.

[cruzerbotz]

I also have the longer one on my BC.  Just finished mounting it for the third time.  I used two brass threaded inserts in the wrist of the stock.  The first two times I mounted it, it was cocked to the side.  When straightened, there wasn't enough side-to-side adjustment.  So, removed the brass inserts, filled the holes with epoxy and re-drilled them.  I found the easiest way to make sure the holes are lined up correctly is to "mount" the sight using rubber bands.  Open the gun and look between the verticals to make sure you are aligned with the barrel.  Hopefully, I'll be able to make it to the range this weekend.  I have the BC and my 45LC to play with.

[ultramag44]

I used the taller one which is 5" I believe. Gcrank is absolutely correct in his assessment.

I had to open the aperature up to .055 (if I remember correctly), but you'll have to try it for yourself.

It's a real bitch without the windage screws.

Smokin Joe, What distance is the short one good to?  What distance are you shooting the long one @?

TIA, ultramag44 

[Capt. Augustus]

I've sprained my brain for the last two weeks trying to decide what tang sight to use on my BC.  I once used a sight similar to the one you are looking at, but overall I did not like it.  I had a hard time getting it square and as someone said windage was a pain.

The range I want mine to shoot is 200-300 yards, so I decided to go with the Marble with changeable shafts.  I don't see going past this range due to a shoulder replacement, so I can only use light loads.  The windage is very smooth on the Marble.

[gcrank1]

Im crunched for time right now, but will get back asap with info on a fellow I know, a real craftsman and shooter from way back, who makes a nice tang sight c/w windage, in various heights and staff angles, etc. at a very reasonable price (within $250ish last I knew). So far everyone I know of who has one is completely satisfied.

[quickdtoo]

Just an FYI, the Williams FP-TK is good well past 600yds when a low front sight like the .404" 17A sight is used, Bernie has shot blackpowder 500gr loads to 600 meters with his, smokeless is good for another 150 meters. See Peep and Firesights and Long Range Sights for the BC in the FAQs.

Tim

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,111161.msg1098340376.html#msg1098340376

[Smokin Joe]

What distance is the short one good to?  What distance are you shooting the long one @?

Don't know about the short one, but I've used the the tall one at 900+ with the Lee 459-500-3R.

[gcrank1]

My friend who makes the tang sights, and also a windage adj. front sight base (std 3/8" or your special need, which will then take your front sight), very traditional 'lollipop' peep sights, and custom size OD or peep aperture eyecups has OKed posting his contact info:
Terry Morgan
20619 Blank Pike Rd.
Wapakoneta, Ohio 45895-8071
419-568-2711 (days, he's a retired gentleman and does this to keep 'involved in the shooting sports'. Just tell him that guy in Wisconsin sent you, he'll know)
BTW, Ive also got the wrist/staff angle info that the new Marbles uses for their H&R BC and NEF Survivor models. I'll dig it out and post it or have Tim put it in the FAQs.
When you mount any tang sight base up on the wrist you should scrape a placement on the wood that matches the base (+1 that use of tape getting things lined up initially). I like to use the rifle's open sights which are already sighted it to look at through the peep while lining it up, the drill and mount. You can also do this with the BC rear peep still mounted to get the tang sight right. If you have the tang sight truely verticle the windage wont change as you make elevation adjustments. Drilling, of course, means using a drill press, if you dont have a mill, NOT freehand unless you are very skilled and know it (that is, if you have any doubts, use a drill press and properly jig up and eyeball before you turn it on).
Yeah, I know it sounds futzty, but you will dazzle and amaze your friends.........

[gcrank1]

Per Buffalo Arms cat. #28&29, Marbles 'std' sight base specs are:
               hole spacing       Ht adj               angle
H&R BC     2.0 -2.265         1.680 - 2.015     18 deg. (incidently, this is the same angle as for Win.'85)
NEF Surv.)1.125                1.680 - 2.015     21 deg.