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Offline gilly

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« on: December 07, 2003, 10:23:31 AM »
what kind of ammo would you use for phesent/duck hunting
lead
steel
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oz.

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2003, 11:36:56 AM »
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what kind of ammo would you use for phesent/duck hunting
lead
steel
brand
oz.


I believe the first decision you need to get out of the way is what gauge we're talking about. Both 12 and 20 should be suitable generally speaking. Which do you want info on?

I believe for duck hunting and any other waterfowling that lead is no longer an option, at least not in the US.

Then you need to add more info on shooting conditions. Are we talking decoying ducks or pass shooting? For pheasant are we talking early season over dogs? Or late season and perhaps on your own. I think all of this plays into the decision.

But for a generalized response here goes.

Ducks: 12 ga. 3" magnum. Would sure like to use lead but it isn't legal so can't. Don't care for steel. Would go with the newer Heavishot from Remington. Shot size really would have to be decided based on what size duck and if pass shooting or over decoys at closer range. Maybe as small as #6 for smaller ducks over decoys to #4 or larger for the larger ducks and for pass shooting.

Pheasant: If where ranges would allow a 20 ga. O/U and #5 or#6 shot. Would want at least an ounce or more. There are always the 3" shells with 1-1/4 oz. Here I'd chose lead unless for some reason I wasn't allowed to. If late season or on wild flushing birds or pass shooting at distance I'd go with a 12 ga. use heavier loads of #4 shot.

Dat's what I'd do. Don't make it right just what I'd do.

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2003, 12:08:41 PM »
i have a remington 870 20
i dont have any dogs its just me and my dad
not sure about ducks

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2003, 01:09:35 PM »
Pheasants I usually use 12ga, 2 3/4", #6, high brass, 1 1/4oz, lead, Winchester. For long shots or a third shot I use 12ga, 3", #6, 1 7/8oz, lead, Federal, but a close bird with these is destined for the soup pot. They used to be 2oz loads but they changed it. 5's and 4's are also good but I like the extra pellets with #6. Modified choke almost always.
A friend had success with a 20ga on pheasants but his was a semi-auto and he tended to fire too fast and run out before downing the bird compared to how he did with his 12ga pump. He did the same thing with rabbits and that gun.

A 12ga 2 3/4 isn't really suitable for duck with steel other than for cripple loads. I wouldn't try a 20ga on ducks with steel. I don't know anyone who does, there must be a reason.
With Hevi-Shot, yes a 20ga would work, but at $2 a shot it's not worth it to me. It does a great job, it just costs too much. I don't know about a 20ga with Hevi-shot on geese, you may limit yourself out of some great meat by going with a 20ga if geese come in.

Ducks with steel depends greatly on what the gun likes. I couldn't get my old 500 to pattern any steel consistently. I got an 835 and it does much better.
My friend suggested BB's. I was hitting ducks but they would not go down. The ones we got were showing no body penetration. Thinking it was lack of pattern I tried #2's at another friend's recommendation. My 835 puts out huge and tight patterns with #2 so I know those ducks were getting hit everywhere. The results were the same as with the BB's, few ducks down and what did come down were cripples.

I was goose hunting with 3 1/2" BBB's. Some ducks came in, some ducks dropped. Same results on most of the ducks that have come in since I started using only 3 1/2" BBB's. I'm penetrating into the body cavity and having no problem breaking wings, a much higher percentage are dead on the water. The 835 patterns the lower pellet count tight enough that a duck in a 30" circle @35-40yds could not fly through it. It also has the energy to break goose bones. The ones I use are Winchester Drylok, 3 1/2", 1 9/16oz, BBB. Xtra full T-F choke. The thing I really like about this load working so good on duck is that it's equally good on geese, I don't have to shuck ammo while trying to call in geese now.

I'm not saying that you should use the 3 1/2" BBB. I'm saying you're going to have to get an assortment of chokes and an assortment of ammo and pattern your shotgun to see what's going to work. If you can pattern a light payload of #4-#2 steel it may go fast enough to penetrate, enough people have proven that. Most people would tell you that a 3 1/2" BBB wouldn't pattern enough to hit a duck and that an Xtra full choke would pattern so tight that you couldn't hit anything moving over decoys, I have proven otherwise.
Experiment and use what doesn't work good for cripple loads.

If it's worth it to you to use Hevi-shot by all means do it. That stuff is great. Use what worked with lead.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2003, 06:08:31 AM »
I can't speak on the phesants but ducks with a 20 ga. is pretty much a 3" proposition. Actually at ranges out to 30 yards I have had much better success with my sons 20 ga. I have only used steel and can't speak on the rest but 3" Remington Nitro's seem to have an edge over the others. At least in this particular gun. Just keep the ranges fairly short. #1s are the largest you will find in the 20 but patterns are not that great. Again if you go to #1s Rem Nitro's are by far the best performer. Since I find penetration an issue with steel no matter what load, I have opted for more shot (#3s for large ducks #4-5 for small ) and seem to have better results. The best method of consitently getting ducks with steel is to quit trying for body shots and concentrate more on trying to get multiple hit in the head/neck area.
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2003, 02:54:14 AM »
Quote from: Myk

A 12ga 2 3/4 isn't really suitable for duck with steel other than for cripple loads. I wouldn't try a 20ga on ducks with steel. I don't know anyone who does, there must be a reason.


With all due respect to your opinion, Myk, both the 12 ga 2 3/4 and the 20 ga are suitable for ducks under the right conditions with the right loads.  I have taken many ducks with 12 ga 2 3/4.  In fact it is my load of choice for woodducks in timber or teal over dekes.  I usually shoot #4 steel but prefer #3 when i can find it and especially when bigger ducks are possible.  A 20 ga with 3" #4s works just fine for wooducks and teal also.  I actually have the opposite experience on ducks with larger shot.  I have seen more cripples with larger shot (ducks taken with BBBs while goose hunting) than with smaller shot.  I attribute this to the fewer hits with the bigger shot.  With smaller shot I get more head and neck hits.  

My experience.

For youngsters the 20 ga is not only a good option because of the recoil but it will also teach them to pick appropiate shots so they won't grow up to be sky-busters.

My opinion.

The key is to find a load-choke combo that produces good patterns...