Author Topic: Recoil Comparison in various Handis  (Read 616 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline dracphelan

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 23
Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« on: August 29, 2010, 04:04:23 PM »
I've had a 30-06 Handi with a synthetic stock for well over a year and it is beating me up. I've tried light loads (110grain bullets with lightest charge), weighing it down (I filled the stock with lead shot) and every piece of advice anyone could give me on how to shoot it. IMO, the recoil on this thing is worse than a Mosin-Nagant or my 12 guage. So, I will be trading it in and replacing it. The question is with what? Since I have never fired a 308 or 30-30, I am considering one of these in a standard wood stock. How do their recoil compare to a 30-06 Handi with a synthetic stock?

Offline quickdtoo

  • Global Moderator
  • Trade Count: (149)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 43301
  • Gender: Male
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2010, 04:09:46 PM »
Limbsaver makes a prefit pad for the synthetic stock, that's what I'd recommend, my 35 Whelen Improved Handi shooting 250gr Hornadys at 2650fps doesn't bother me from the bench using one.... without any weight in the stock.  Just an option to stick with the 30-06, but everyone perceives recoil differently. ;)

Tim
"Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" -  Mark Twain

Offline Dinny

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (268)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5524
  • Gender: Male
  • "Medics Save"
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 04:29:10 PM »
Well I have some questions before you part with this rifle. Do you hunt with it? If so, what do you hunt and how far are your average shots. Have you tried any reduced loads with Trail Boss powder? I have a TB load with a 220gr RN that is only flying about 980fps. It penetrates forever.... Accuracy is good from my bolt gun, averaging just under an inch at 25yds.  All I'm trying to get at is that there may be more options to consider before parting with a familiar rifle.

BTW, Tim is right, the Sims Limbsaver makes a world of difference. ;)

Thanks, Dinny
Handi Family: 357 Max, 45 LC, 45-70, 300 BLK, 50 cal Huntsman, and 348 Win.

"If there must be trouble, let it be in my day that my child may have peace"
Thomas Paine

Offline dpe.ahoy

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (7)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3363
  • Gender: Male
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 05:16:17 PM »
The 308 still has a pretty snappy recoil, the 30-30 is mild by comparison.  If you find the recoil still bothersome, lose the factory recoil pad and get a slip-on Limbsaver from Wal-Mart for $20 and there ya go. ;)  DP
RIP Oct 27, 2017

Handi's:22Shot, 22LR, 2-22Mag, 22Hornet, 5-223, 2-357Max, 44 mag, 2-45LC, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, 280, 25-06, 30-30, 30-30AI, 444Marlin, 45-70, AND 2-38-55s, 158 Topper 22 Hornet/20ga. combo;  Levers-Marlins:Two 357's, 44 mag, 4-30-30s, RC-Glenfields 36G-30A & XLR, 3-35 Rem, M-375, 2-444P's, 444SS, 308 MX, 338Marlin MXLR, 38-55 CB, 45-70 GS, XS7 22-250 and 7mm08;  BLR's:7mm08, 358Win;  Rossi: 3-357mag, 44mag, 2-454 Casull; Winchesters: 7-30 Waters, 45Colt Trapper; Bolt actions, too many;  22's, way too many.  Who says it's an addiction?

Offline pairishman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 21
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 05:57:26 PM »
30-30 has a very mild recoil.  Others to possibly consider 280, 25-06, 7-08, all have pretty ,mild recoils compared to an 06

Offline Kal52

  • Trade Count: (16)
  • Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 380
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 06:52:06 PM »
I have a 308, the recoil on that one isnt bad at all IMO though I havent used it with a synthetic stock yet, and My 30-30 is very easy on the shoulder, that one sports a synthetic stock.
I have a 12ga pardner that I used to shoot 3" buck out of, limbsaver made a big difference, still not pleasant at the patterning board, but in the field I didnt notice the bruises until the next day  :D

Id say try the limbsave first, then trade, It always feels worse off the bench then it does in the field, hopefully youll only need to shoot once  ;) ;D

Good luck
Dave

Offline wreckhog

  • Trade Count: (55)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2997
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2010, 03:26:57 AM »
Buy a PAST pad. Shoot standing up. Try managed recoil loads. That said, a 30-06 ain't for range use.

Offline gstewart44

  • Trade Count: (20)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1645
  • Gender: Male
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2010, 05:10:50 AM »
The Limbsaver is what I use.   i have a slip on that I use on my maxxed out 45-70 loads -  they become barely noticeable.    the other is my 12g 3.5" NEF turkey gun.    I put a youth stock on it, then the Fitted Limbsaver and then a slip-on Limbsaver over that.   For what it's worth, the Turkey shotgun with full loads has 4 to 5 X the recoil of the 3006.   With both Limbsavers on I don't mind gobbler season anymore.   Give it a try.   
I'm just tryin' to keep everything in balance, Woodrow. You do more work than you got to, so it's my obligation to do less. (Gus McCrae)

Offline PigBoy Crabshaw

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Contributor
  • *****
  • Posts: 436
  • Gender: Male
"In God We Trust - Everyone else keep you hands where I can see them!"

Offline montveil

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Contributor
  • *****
  • Posts: 343
  • Gender: Male
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 05:56:47 AM »
I find that when shooting off a bench or worst still off the truck hood the recoil effect is much worse. It is my opinion that they body position is not situated to roll back with the recoil in those positions.  Also, one MUST hold the stock firmly into the shoulder pocket formed by the arm in a elevated position. 
I recently was training my grown daughter to shoot a shotgun and started her by holding the gun with both hands and the gun held tightly to her side, (back up the shooter) and firing from the waist. Use light loads. She quickly understood that the gun would not hurt if she held it TIGHTLY.
We then went to the standing position where her body could move with the recoil. Finally from a bench where she quickly got punished by the recoil.
Using this method she understood the recoil effects and she did NOT develop a flinch.
Right or not, that's what I did.

It would be helpful to get another seasoned shooter to observe and coach. 

Also consider more weight in the stock or a wooden stock, at least 1 pound which would make a great difference in felt recoil
MONTVEIL IN THE NC MOUNTAINS

Offline spikehorn

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (84)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3000
  • Gender: Male
Re: Recoil Comparison in various Handis
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 06:24:21 AM »
I have never had a 30-06 But do own several 308s. I have a Dick's SG 308 ultra varmint camo combo that now sports a pallet wood MC stock with a schnable fore end. In comparison to the Stevens 200 308 percieved recoil is less. I also have a 30-30 handi and recoil is very mild, and with the Hornady LE ammo the 30-30 is very close to 308 Win velocities
308 win                 45-70                       12ga         
30-30                    223 stainless steel   20ga TDC
44 mag                  Tracker II 20ga        20ga
45-70 Manlicher     20ga USH                28ga
                                                              410ga