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Offline unclebart

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Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« on: August 22, 2010, 04:03:18 PM »
I have rcently discovered that you can have a Handi-Rifle rebarreled to almost any cartridge out there. The local gunsmith explained you "stub" the barrel and install as you would any bolt action. There are certain parameters to be met as far as how much steel surounds the cartridge in question, the extractor cut, etc.
Thinking about a 16" or so Bbl.
set up for peep as well as scope
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survivor stock for clning., emergency gear, some xtra rds., place to store the rear peep. Maybe regular plastic stock for backpacking
Am thinking 32-20 or 25-20 just because. Would be perfect for small game and tin cans.
will be casting and reloading and have always wanted one of these calibers. Plus they are economical to reload for.
Any one have any suggestions as to alternate calibers or features? Don't have a lot of experience with these rifles but that will change. Have a .308 Survivor and an ultralite .223. Welcome any and all thoughts/opinions. Want to do this right. Thanks in advance!


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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2010, 04:30:41 PM »
Welcome! You'll find lots of members here have stubbed H&Rs, I have a 6.5x55 with a Shilen match barrel myself, there are a couple 32-20s here as well. Graybeard has a 25-20 that started life as a 22 Hornet, site sponsor Wayne York of Oregunsmithing rechambered and rebored it which is another alternative to stubbing, he also did my stub 6.5, and rebores to 6x45, 260 Rem, 338-06 and 405 Winchester as well as rechambers to 35 Rem, 6mm Ackley, 280 Imp, 35 Whelen Imp. Spend some time reading in the FAQs and Help sticky and you'll learn a heck of a lot more.  ;)

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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2010, 04:34:49 PM »
avoid the 32-20 for a survival situation the brass is very delicate and short lived.
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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2010, 04:36:21 PM »
Yah, the one stub I really want to do is .45 ACP.  Ever since the one retired officer had one done, I cannot stop thinking about it.  lol  Although, this month, Hi-Point is supposed to start selling their .45 ACP version of their carbine and I am a little interested in one of those too.  ;)
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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2010, 04:37:07 PM »
Tim's correct, in addittion to standard chambered Handi's I have a rechambered .35 Remington that started as a .357 Mag, a 30-40 Krag that was a 30-30, a .22-250 that started as a .22 Hornet, then became a .223 and from there to its current .22-250. I also have a Versa Pak barrel that was a .22 LR and is now a .22 WMR and a .45 ACP/.45 Super with a fine SS barrel that was stubbed from a 20 gauge shotgun barrel. The possibilities are many and varied, so have fun!!!....<><....:)

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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2010, 06:34:43 PM »

 And Wayne York did a 25-35 from a 223 lt wt for me. I also have a 219 Zipper from a 22 Hornett
 I did my self. Also I have a 32-20 Trotter LG did the stubing. DATIL

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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2010, 05:00:16 PM »
Thanks all for the replies. This is a great forum. Was thinking about a 25-20 originally but my local smithy recommended the 32-20. Both crtridges are nice. I have a .250-3000 he  put together on a Model Seven for me. It's the cats meow. I have a Lyman 89grn G.C cast bullet that shoots real well with 13-15grn. 5744. So would have some commonality of components there. Would be extremely economical with powder and cast as well as fun to shoot. Could shoot all day at the range for the price of an evening at the movies. I guess when it comes right down to it I just like the quarter bore. Huh, looks like i just made up my mind. Wahoo!

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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2010, 05:22:35 PM »
The best thing about doing one in 32-20 is the avaliability of good .32 cal barrels.  British 303 barrels work great, I have made up about 4 or 5 of these, and they have turned out to be real good shooters.  Larry
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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 01:25:47 PM »
Ive had a 25-20 (Win.'85LW), two .257Bobs and last year got a 25-35 H&R stub barrel from a forum member here. The standard twist for the 25-20 is 1:14, which limits you to about 90gr. bullets due to length and stabilization. Yes, you can push jacketed faster to help overcome this, but it is hard to really get enough velocity for a marginally long bullet or to avoid leading with cast bullets. A hundred years ago the match shooters with .25s used a faster twist to use the favored 100ish gr. bullets. Ive just been playing with the fast twist 25-35 again and it shoots the low velo 87s as well as the Win. did (just traded it off) and I have the choice of using the much better BC long bullets and a variety of velocities. It doesnt seem to be fussy.
If you do a 25-20 you might consider using a std. 25 CF cal. barrel (or liners are available too) with something faster than that old 1:14. Even in 25-20 I dont see a downside in this. Then if you wanted to rechamber in the future to 25-35 you would be all set.
With the 32-20 size you might be better off chambering to the  newish .327Fed. The case capacity is similar and since it is an overlong 32.S&W Long it would be an easy cartridge to live with using carbide dies, etc. I have a 32-20 revolver so I know the shortcomings of this cartridge for reloading.
Another approach here is to use the 30-30 chambering with the lighter weight bullets. I use 115-130gr. and duplicate 32-20 ballistics with success. Those loads for fun, varmint, etc. and the full load for deer and black bear gives a very nice sporting combination.
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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 03:09:10 PM »
Or a 30-30.

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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2010, 06:50:46 AM »
There really is not much you can not do with this platform. I got a 32H&R mag that Larry did from a 303 Brit a 32 Huntsman Muuzzleloader from a 8mm Mauser and a 30/40Krag from a 3030. Another odd one out there is Stimpys 5mm rimfire that Larry did.also the new addition to the family is the 22Hornet pistol that Larry just finished.Lots of possibilities out there. Kurt
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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #11 on: September 02, 2010, 06:42:42 PM »
Greetings and this is my first post here, currently I have a handi in .243.

But reading this thread made me wonder if I were to find a 260 rem some day and re chambering it to 6.5x55 Swede which is my favorite cartridge.

Has anyone done this?

Also what is "stubbing the barrel" 
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Re: Discovered something interesting about Handi-Rifles
« Reply #12 on: September 02, 2010, 06:50:42 PM »
Stubbing is covered in the FAQs, also a good place to start learning about H&Rs.  ;) I have a 6.5x55 stubbed barrel Ultra done on a Shilen 6.5 match blank, also have a 260 Rem Handi that started life as a 243 Superlight, both done by site sponsor Wayne York of Oregunsmithing, so you can do either....or both!!  ;D A 243 or 260 Rem H&R barrel can't be rechambered to 6.5x55 or I would have done it with the 243 rebore instead of 260,  it won't clean up the shoulder which is bigger, you could go 6.5x55 Improved tho.

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