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Offline Hooker

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Used and Abused
« on: July 25, 2010, 01:55:48 PM »
I picked up this front stuffer from a friend cheap.
I bought it at camp last year during our muzzle loader season. My friend had never fired it he had taken it in a trade.
I test fired it and put one rb in the bull at 50yrds so the next morning I carried it on my hunt. I took a cull buck with it at 40 yards.
When I got it home I started cleaning up the bore and this is what I found so I pulled the breach plug and yep it looks like that way all the way down pipe.


What do y'all think send her down the road? New barrel? Rebore to a 54? Make a smooth bore out of it? Shoot her like she is?

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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2010, 02:01:55 PM »
If it's a T/C, I'd find another barrel for it.
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2010, 04:20:26 PM »
If I couldn't find a replacement barrel I think I would rebore it too 20 guage if there was enough "meat".
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 04:33:14 PM »
You've got several options...If you can't find a factory barrel, Ed Rayle over in West Va will make you one to fit what you have...He can also rebore and re-rifle what you have...If it's a .50, go with a .54 and a 1-72 rifling...

Funny thing about these guns, they might look rough and still shoot OK...I had a friend bring me one that looked like that about 10 years ago, I cleaned it up, plugged the barrel and poured vinegar down it...Left it 2-3 days, poured it out and filled it up again for 2-3 days...I then cleaned it up and that rifle would shoot inside an inch and a half at 50 yards with patched round balls...My buddy's son in law still uses that gun today...

That barrel may very well do the same...In the 1700s, they also made smooth rifles...They were built like a rifle, had sights but no rifling...Plenty of guys hunt deer with a 20 gauge and a patched ball, they report good groups out to 75 yards or so...
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2010, 05:23:26 PM »
I had a Renegade barrel like that in .50 caliber that shot better than it ever should have.  It would hold 2 inches at 50 yards with patched balls and 2.5 inches with 300 grain XTPs in Harvester sabots.  

If you want to keep it for a loaner/knock around gun you may find a real good shooting load for it.

One of the things I notice with those barrels, while the rifling is there and you can see it with your naked eye, it's awfully hard to get it to show up in a picture.
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 10:40:20 AM »
i'd clean'er up and shoot'er a cuppla dozen times. ugly ain't always the same as no good. have rescued a few "pyrodex queens" from local pawn shop that make that one look good. all cleaned up surprisingly well and shot pretty good to boot.
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 11:01:17 AM »
Put some kroil oil in her and soad it a bit . It cleaned up a buddys gun.
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 01:10:35 PM »
Call Bobby Hoyt at 719 642-6696 and see what he can do for you. He rebored one for me and while I don't remember the exact cost it was under one hundred with shipping included. He won't bore T/C's larger than .54 caliber because anything larger will sometimes run into screw holes or the absurdly deep dovetail they cut for the underlug but there is nothing wrong with .54 caliber.
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2010, 09:14:48 AM »
Let's see... your first shot put one through the bull. Your second shot took a deer. Where's the problem?  ???

Unless you want to start shooting deer at 200 yds ("As seen on TV"), I'd say clean it up, keep the rifle as a "shooter," and spend your money elsewhere.

JMHO. ;D
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2010, 04:04:06 PM »
I'v seen worse clean up good.  Try J&B bore cleaner.  It is a greasey paste with a very fine abrasive, kind of like old fashioned valve grinding compound, but finer abrasive.  It does miracles.  Another thing to try is car finish rubbing compound.  The white, not the red. Put it on a patch and run it up and down 10 or 12 times and then change patches. 
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 06:16:09 PM »
I bought a T/C barrel for the Hawken it's a 45 cal.
I did a tune up on the whole gun the lock was poorly inleted and the hammer was not striking the nipple squarely.
The lock also had some rough spots now she centered up and smooth as a baby's butt.
If it doesn't rain this weekend I'll see how she shoots.

Pat
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Re: Used and Abused
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2010, 05:39:25 AM »
Hmm.  That sounds like a fun "project gun".

Track of the Wolf sells liners for $4.89 per inch.  If I had such a gun I would buy 2 or 3 inches of the liner and see if I could install it at the muzzle sort of like a rifled choke tube in a shotgun.
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