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Offline sudesh

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My Drilling gun
« on: September 04, 2010, 05:47:02 AM »
My Drilling Gun
Its a 12 Guage Side by Side external hammer and a 6.5 x 52 (25-35win) Rifle Barrel underneath.
Simson. Made in Germany.
Barrel length - 26''
Beaitiful engraving
Here are some pics i wana share with you ppl.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2010, 06:30:08 AM »
That is a great looking gun!  How long have you had it, what did you pay?  The hammers are for the shotgun barrels, but what fires the rifle barrel?  Most of the other drillings were in 16 ga. and smaller.  What does it weigh?

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2010, 06:46:22 AM »
 The top lever switches the right hammer to the rifle barrel.
Got it a month ago for INR 130000.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2010, 07:40:18 AM »
That's a beautiful looking rifle. I've always had a love of the .25-35 cartridge. Congratulations on your purchase.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2010, 05:47:54 PM »
  That IS a neat drilling, thanks for posting the pictures!

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2010, 07:39:06 PM »
It's beautiful. ;D



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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2010, 03:56:27 AM »
Sudesh
when was it made?
Doug

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2010, 07:38:09 AM »
Actually the mfg year isn't specified anywhere on the gun.
The gun is made by Simson & Co Suhl Germany.
Simson & Co was a gunmaker in Suhl, Germany that began producing guns in 1910. The Nazis took over the factory before WW2, that means this gun was made before 1939.
My Guess! :)

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2010, 07:44:47 AM »
Are the barrels marked nitro?  Also do yoiu have a picture of the proofs?
thanks
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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2010, 09:40:18 AM »
On your demand Sir!! ;)

Here are the proofmarks.
I dont know what these proof marks indicate, please do post the meanings if possible.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2010, 04:15:44 PM »
Looking at the pictures there appears to be xx27 if the xx are other numbers then that is the month and year of production being 1927.  I am looking for a primer on proofs and having a devil of a time finding one.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2010, 05:57:51 AM »
Actually the mfg year isn't specified anywhere on the gun.
The gun is made by Simson & Co Suhl Germany.
 The Nazis took over the factory before WW2, that means this gun was made before 1939.
My Guess! :)

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What? Did they wall up the place or start making 88 mm's instead?
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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2010, 07:03:59 AM »
The proofs are under the 1891 -1938 proof laws.  In 1939 the nazi's changed and added new proof regulations.  I can't see the proof clearly but I believe dougk is correct in assuming the date is 1927. However, I am suprised at the hammers on a gun this late.  It was certainly a special order so the customer could have what he wanted. dates coded such as ?/27 are more frequently found on Suhl proofs.  I don't believe dating was required under the laws at the time.  Many only have a number indicating the number of the firearm submitted for proof that year.  The Rifle barrel is Nitro proofed for an 8 gram (123 grains) KMG bullet i.e. Kupfer Mantel Geschoss, copper jacketed bullet.  The sights are likely regulated to this weight bullet and anything lighter or heavier probably won't shoot to the sights.  The shot barrels are the normal '91-'39 proofs. the crown over W, indicates choke boring and the crown over S, designates shotgun/smooth bore proof.  the 13/1 under the 12 in a circle indicates the actual proof bore standard that it was proofed under.  At this time some standardization regarding shotgun bore with other countries was in place, Britain Belgium..The bores would have been 18.26mm slightly smaller than a true 12 at 18.52mm . The German's, unlike the British did not normally proof for a specific shot charge.  It would be unlikely that the load for the short (65mm or shorter)shells would have exceeded 1 1/8 oz.  If you 'mike' the bores I'm sure you will find them undersized (assuming they have not been polished out) Since there is no chamber length indicated assume the chambers are 65mm or shorter!!  The other proofs mostly indicate acceptance (provisional proof,crown over U w/ eagle).  I'm trying to do this from memory as I don't have the pics up in front of me.  I'll edit this if I've missed something. The fully spelled word Nitro was required after 1912 as was the cal. i.e. 6.5mm over 52. Other pics might help.  The "S" on the rifle barrel with an indestinct mar on either side(one loocks like crossed swords or keys, is Simpson's identifier.
I love hammer guns and those cool peninsular locks are really neat.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2010, 07:31:21 AM »
Sportclay thank you for the info,
It is mentioned 9/27 means it should be Sept 1927 .
I didnt know about proof marks at all, Now with the help of you genius ppl i came to know .
Thanks again,

Regards,
Sudesh

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2010, 07:35:28 AM »
Yes, the 9/27 Is Sept. 1927.  How are the bores?  Have you checked the chamber length on the shot barrels?
Really nice find.  Be interested in how it shoots.

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2010, 07:51:16 AM »
I would not shoot any 70mm / 2 3/4' shells through this until you have verified it has the long chambers! The shells pictured in the 1st picture appear to have some 70mm..  while they may slide in nice as can be, when the shell crimp opens, it opens into the smaller bore diameter.  The steels were mild steel at the time and a few high pressure "long" shells will stress the frames significantly.  Many of these guns have fairly thin tubes and are not candidates for re-chambering to a longer length.
Save the gun and shoot short shells. :)

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Re: My Drilling gun
« Reply #16 on: September 11, 2010, 02:21:52 AM »
I would not shoot any 70mm / 2 3/4' shells through this until you have verified it has the long chambers! The shells pictured in the 1st picture appear to have some 70mm..  while they may slide in nice as can be, when the shell crimp opens, it opens into the smaller bore diameter.  The steels were mild steel at the time and a few high pressure "long" shells will stress the frames significantly.  Many of these guns have fairly thin tubes and are not candidates for re-chambering to a longer length.
Save the gun and shoot short shells. :)
  i ll keep that in mind  :)